Re: LLM usage in Debian -- ballot options comparison

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Thank you. I found it very helpful. Saved me running similar queries or
spending a couple of hours of my time assembling the same info. The only
nitpick is that when ordered in progressive order, the neutral option gets
ordered in the most progressive spot, instead of in the middle.

I don't get the argument that providing such information is "in bad taste".
People (in general) can and do get offended by all kinds of things being
said and even about things being unsaid and by who says those things. We,
as a community, do not have to *automatically* accommodate our behaviour to
all individual opinions. There is a step *first* where there is a community
consensus on whether the offence is reasonable or not, implicitly or
explicitly. The AI disclosure was clear and up-front, if there is *any* way
to a consensus discussion here, this is the example of a polite and
reasoned approach.

IMHO people categorically refusing to even look at any AI-contaminated
content are being unreasonable and seem to also be unwilling to engage in
any constructive discussion or in seeking common ground.

And this was not even that - the mailing list message contained no AI
generated content, only a link to a, clearly labelled, AI generated page.
If even that is to be seen as unacceptable, then I do not see any
constructive communication on this topic going forward.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 at 20:50, Lucas Nussbaum <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> With the assistance of AI, I created a table that summarizes the current
> options (including Tobias' because I assume it will get enough seconds):
>
> https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026-002/comparison.html
>
> There's a "progressive order" button that can make it easier to read.
> You can also reorder columns manually.
>
> The corresponding prompt is
> https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026-002/SPEC.md
>
> Feedback welcomed (ideally, as patches to SPEC.md)
>
> Lucas
>
>

-- 
Best regards,
    Aigars Mahinovs

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you. I found it very helpful. Saved me running =
similar queries or spending a couple of hours of my time assembling the sam=
e info. The only nitpick is that when ordered in progressive order, the neu=
tral option gets ordered in the most progressive spot, instead of in the mi=
ddle.</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t get the argument that providing =
such information=C2=A0is &quot;in bad taste&quot;. People (in general) can =
and do get offended by all kinds of things being said and even about things=
 being unsaid and by who says=C2=A0those things. We, as a community, do not=
 have to *automatically*=C2=A0accommodate=C2=A0our behaviour to all individ=
ual opinions. There is a step *first* where there is a community consensus=
=C2=A0on whether the offence is reasonable=C2=A0or not, implicitly or expli=
citly. The AI disclosure was clear and up-front, if there is *any* way to a=
 consensus=C2=A0discussion here, this is the example of a polite=C2=A0and r=
easoned approach.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO people categorically refusi=
ng to even look at any AI-contaminated content are being unreasonable and s=
eem to also be unwilling to engage in any constructive discussion or in see=
king common ground.</div><div><br></div><div>And this was not even that - t=
he mailing list message contained no AI generated content, only a link to a=
, clearly labelled, AI generated page. If even that is to be seen as unacce=
ptable, then I do not see any constructive communication on this topic goin=
g forward.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 at 20:50, Lucas Nussbau=
m &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
With the assistance of AI, I created a table that summarizes the current<br=
>
options (including Tobias&#39; because I assume it will get enough seconds)=
:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026-002/comparison.html" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026=
-002/comparison.html</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s a &quot;progressive order&quot; button that can make it easier =
to read.<br>
You can also reorder columns manually.<br>
<br>
The corresponding prompt is<br>
<a href=3D"https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026-002/SPEC.md" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://people.debian.org/~lucas/gr-2026-002/SPE=
C.md</a><br>
<br>
Feedback welcomed (ideally, as patches to SPEC.md)<br>
<br>
Lucas<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><br><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Aigars Mahinovs</div></div></=
div>

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