Re: What's next for the Debian Wiki? (was Re: wiki.d.o on a git-backed engine)

On Thu Jan 30, 2025 at 10:29 AM GMT, Maytham Alsudany wrote:
> I've written a draft[1] for guidelines that could be used on the wiki.
> I'd welcome any edits or discussion on the points there.

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/MaythamAlsudany/DraftContentGuidelines

Thank you for writing this!

I wasn't sure where to put feedback on it, so I'm writing it in a reply 
on debian-www@. However, I think we should establish some guidelines on 
communicating about the wiki _on_ the wiki; and actually a page like the 
one you have drafted would be the place to do it.

What might work? Comments in-line on the page? Comments in a sub-page 
e.g. /Discussion (plenty of precedent for that). Perhaps we should 
codify that.

Some page-types, like user pages, in-line comments might be appropriate. 
I see there's some back-and-forth discussion like that here:

	https://wiki.debian.org/nodiscc (a user page)

WRT user pages, I would personally prefer if they were namespaced, but 
that's not how MoinMoin works, so I don't think we could realistically 
have that at the moment. We'd need a process for discovering newly 
created, non-namespaced user pages, then a process to move them, maybe 
categorise them, and we'd still have the old page around as a redirect 
anyway.

(I first saw 'nodiscc' on 
https://wiki.debian.org/CategoryProposedDeletion and it took me a few 
moments to figure out what kind of page it was, because the name doesn't 
give it away.)

Since I've now brought up CategoryProposedDeletion, we could do with 
some principles about how that works. I recently checked a bunch of 
pages that had been put in that category and not modified for many 
years, so I deleted them. But I'm acting as a lone agent here, and I 
might upset someone if they disagreed.

WRT content copyright: This is something I once tried hard to push for, 
then gave up, but I haven't lost interest in it. However, I think the 
following might be too strong:

> All new pages must display their copyright and license information at 
> the bottom of the page, and must be licensed under a DFSG-compliant 
> license. See below for how to do this.

I think it would be more acceptable of we had a default page template 
which included the copyright table code, OR some other clear way for a 
new page to have a license chosen easily.

I haven't checked, but I suspect the number of existing pages that 
declare a copyright like this is vanishingly small (I'm aware of yours,
and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer)


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