Re: Manually add firmware (or other) packages for installation?

Am 27. Februar 2021 12:15:48 MEZ schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <[email protected]>:
>On 2/27/21 11:46 AM, Holger Wansing wrote:
>> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <[email protected]> wrote (Sat,
>27 Feb 2021 11:21:58 +0100):
>>> The point is: We separate free and non-free images for a very reason
>and if
>>> you add a mechanism that just silently enables non-free on a system
>that
>>> was installed with the free installer, you are defeating this
>separation.
>> 
>> 1. *I* do not do or change anything here. It's the case like this for
>ages!
>
>Of course, you are. You are sending in a patch.
>
>> 2. non-free does *NOT* be *silently* activated! The user is prompted
>for this,
>>    and he needs to explicitly say YES to this option! 
>>    And this question is only be asked in expert installation mode.
>
>You are contradicting yourself. Earlier in the discussion you claim
>that the
>user just enters the name of the firmware packages and the installer
>does
>the rest of the work.
>
>>> The firmware issue isn't new and the stance has always been that we
>separate
>>> free and non-free installers for a very reason. People that use the
>free installers
>>> expect that the system installed contains DFSG-compatible components
>only.
>> 
>> Firmware issues are not new, that's correct.
>> But with latest kernels, it seems that missing firmware for graphics
>cards 
>> more often than in the past leads to a completely dark or garbled
>screen
>> (given the amount of user reports, I already mentioned).
>> I guess this is a result of some "policy changing" in the kernel, how
>to 
>> act with firmware blobs and what to do, if firmware is missing (?).
>
>Well, people need to use the firmware installer in this case and
>looking through
>the on debian-devel, I'm not the only DD who takes this stance [1].
>
>>> A user wants all firmware to be available after installation, they
>are advised
>>> to use the non-free firmware installers.
>> 
>> Again:
>> even if they decide to use this non-free installer with the
>graphics-card
>> firmware included, this installer *does*not* install the firmware for
>> graphics cards!
>> (leaving users with a unusable system at first boot.)
>
>Then you don't need to change debian-installer for that. Just adjust
>the package
>lists for the non-free CD.
>
>> Only the "switch-to-second-console-and-install-there-by-hand"
>solution, you
>> mentioned already, can do this.
>> 
>> This patch should only be a user-friendly variant of the above
>second-console 
>> solution.
>
>I don't think we need this particular solution and I prefer to keep the
>free
>images untainted. We can adjust the package lists for the non-free CDs
>and
>have the firmware packages installed automatically.

Complete bullshit from Adrian here, sadly.
Hopefully other readers are better in reading what I wrote.

Holger


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