Re: translated file english/international/Polish/index.wml

mirekgab <[email protected]> Mon, 01 Sep 2014 20:52:43 +0200
Newsgroups gmane.linux.debian.internationalization.english,gmane.linux.debian.internationalization.polish
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Hi

Justin, thanks for good work.

I've changed fragments described below:

1. According what Mateusz wrote:
Could you remove 138 line from index.wml, debian.linux.pl on IRCNet is 
dead.

I removed it.

2. Sentence

At the moment, there are 13 developers from Poland officially registered 
with the project.

I changed to:

At the moment there are 15 developers from Poland officially registered 
with the project (11 of them active) - <a 
href="http://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/">more info on bubulle's blog 
page</a>.

3.

"Coverage" tends to be used to mean "how much has been done so far";
if you mean "how much we intend to try to do" then I'd suggest
"Scope".  And what's a partial derivative?  Does it mean "and
derivatives (partially)"?

At this point, scope is a better word.

I changed:
Scope: Debian + partial derivatives
to:
Scope: Debian and derivatives (partially)

4.
  <li>Making changes: directly in git 
[email protected]</li>
                                     ^
Should that have a slash meaning "or" here? - Yes


File with corrections I sent to debian-l10n-polish lists too
and now I am waiting for reply from there.

With regards
Mirek
index.wml (text/html, 16.8 KB)
#use wml::debian::template title="Debian in Polish"
#use wml::debian::translation-check translation="1.40" original="polish"

#  Thanks for skotik87 and andrzejh for translation and check.

<p>
  Debian is also available in Polish. Starting from system
  installation, to system messages and the user interfaces of most
  widely used applications, and ending with the documentation.
  Obviously, there are many things still to be done, but probably even
  now you can use Debian without knowing English.
</p>
<p>
  Furthermore, there is a strong Debian user community in Poland, visible through
  multiple web sites, mailing lists, and forums. At the moment there are 15 
  developers from Poland officially registered with the project (11 of them active) &ndash; 
  <a href="http://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/">more info on bubulle's blog page</a>.
</p>

<h2>Polish Debian resources</h2>

<ul>
  <li>Online Manuals
    <ul>
#      <li>
#	<strong>Debian FAQ</strong>
#	&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.pl.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/debian-faq/debian-faq.pl.txt">plain text</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/debian-faq/debian-faq.pl.pdf">PDF</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/debian-faq/debian-faq.pl.ps">PS</a>] &mdash;  Debian
#	in questions and answers
#      </li>
      <li>
	<strong><a
	  href="http://damlab.pl/poradnik-debiana/handbook/index.php">Guide for the
	  novice</a></strong> &mdash; how to start the adventure with Debian
      </li>
      <li>
	<strong>Installation and initial configuration of Debian GNU/Linux</strong>&nbsp;[<a
	href="http://dug.net.pl/~azhag/debiandoc/debian-instalacja-konfiguracja.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
	href="http://dug.net.pl/~azhag/debiandoc/debian-instalacja-konfiguracja.txt">plain text</a>]&nbsp;[<a
	href="http://dug.net.pl/~azhag/debiandoc/debian-instalacja-konfiguracja.pdf">PDF</a>]&nbsp;[<a
	href="http://dug.net.pl/~azhag/debiandoc/debian-instalacja-konfiguracja.ps">PS</a>]
      </li>
# Superseeded by Debian Reference
#      <li>
#	<strong>Debian Quick Reference</strong>&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/quick-reference/index.pl.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.pl.txt">plain text</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.pl.pdf">PDF</a>]&nbsp;[<a
#	href="../../doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.pl.ps">PS</a>] &mdash;
#	the concise user handbook
#      </li>
      <li>
	<strong>Debian Reference</strong>&nbsp;[<a
	href="../../doc/manuals/reference/index.pl.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
	href="../../doc/manuals/reference/debian-reference.pl.txt">plain text</a>]
	&mdash;  the most comprehensive user manual
      </li>
      <li><strong>APT HOWTO (Obsolete Documentation)</strong>&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.pl.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.pl.txt">plain text</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.pl.pdf">PDF</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.pl.ps">PS</a>] &mdash;
        the short handbook about the Debian package management utility, APT
      </li>
      <li><strong>Debian New Maintainers' Guide</strong>&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.pl.html">HTML</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.pl.txt">plain text</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.pl.pdf">PDF</a>]&nbsp;[<a
        href="../../doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.pl.ps">PS</a>] &mdash; how to
	create packages in the <q>deb</q> format
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Books
    <ul>
	<li><a
	href="http://helion.pl/ksiazki/debian_linux_system_operacyjny_dla_kazdego_pierwsze_starcie_sylwester_zdanowski,delips.htm">
	Debian Linux. The universal operating system. First steps</a>
      <li> <a href="http://helion.pl/ksiazki/debian_gnu_linux_3_1_biblia_benjamin_mako_hill_david_b_harris_jaldhar_vyas,de3bib.htm">Debian
      GNU/Linux 3.1. Bible</a></li>
      <li> <a href="http://helion.pl/ksiazki/debian_gnu_linux_bill_mccarty,dlindk.htm">Learning
      Debian GNU/Linux</a></li>
      <li><a href="http://helion.pl/ksiazki/debian_linux_ksiega_eksperta_mario_camou_john_goerzen_aaron_van_couwenberghe,dlinke.htm">Debian
      GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed</a></li>  
      <li><a
      href="http://helion.pl/ksiazki/debian_linux_cwiczenia_lukasz_kolodziej,cwdlin.htm">Debian GNU/Linux. Exercises</a></li>
    </ul>
  <li>Websites
    <ul>
      <li><a href="http://dug.net.pl">Debian Users Gang</a> &mdash; large
        collection of good articles, FAQs, links</li>
      <li><a href="http://debian.linux.pl/">Polish Debian Portal</a> &mdash; active forum, news, articles, FAQ and blogs</li>
      <li><a href="http://www.planetadebiana.pl/">Polish Debian Planet</a> &mdash; webpage aggregating Polish blogs and other websites about Debian</li>
      <li><a href="https://wiki.debian.org/FrontPagePolish">Polish pages
	      on the official project Wiki</a> &mdash; you can also co-create Debian
	  or read what others have written</li>
      <li><a href="http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian">Wikipedia</a>
	&mdash; concise encyclopedic information</li>
      <li><a href="http://jakilinux.org/linux/debian/">jakilinux.org</a>
	&mdash; comparison of different Linux distributions</li>
      <li><a href="http://www.linux.pl/">linux.pl</a>
	&mdash; Polish Linux site, it describes different distributions</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

<h2>Where to look for help in Polish</h2>

<ul>
  <li>Forums
    <ul>
      <li><a href="http://debian.linux.pl/forum.php">Polish Debian Users Forum</a>
	is nowadays probably the most active site for Debian
	users. On the forum you can find a wealth of tips, documents and discussions
	about current versions of Debian.</li>
      <li><a href="http://forum.dug.net.pl/">Debian Users Gang</a>
	&mdash; also a very active forum for more advanced users</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Usenet newsgroups
    <ul>
      <li><a href="news://pl.comp.os.linux.debian">pl.comp.os.linux.debian</a></li>
      <li><a href="news://alt.pl.comp.os.linux.debian">alt.pl.comp.os.linux.debian</a>
	&mdash; less traffic, which can be regarded as an advantage or disadvantage.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>
    <a href="https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-polish/">Debian mailing list
    for Polish users</a> &mdash; you can subscribe or send e-mail to the address
    <email [email protected] />. (It can be also viewed via
    mail2news gateways, e.g. <code>news.amu.edu.pl</code>; you can write
    through such a gateway if you are subscribed to the list
    <email [email protected] />)
  </li>
  <li>IRC channels
    <ul>
      <li><a href="irc://irc.pl/debian.pl">#debian.pl on IRCNet</a></li>
      <li><a href="irc://irc.pl/error">#error on IRCNet</a> &mdash;
      DUG channel</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

<p>	
  There are several other Polish sites about Debian, but they haven't been
  updated for some time.
</p>

<h2><a name="polonizacja">Translating Debian to Polish</a></h2>

<p>
  Information about translated packages and Debian web pages is available
  <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n">on the statistics
  pages</a>.</p>  
<p>In order to keep the vocabulary consistent, please use the <a
  href="https://wiki.debian.org/WordlistPolish">word list</a> when translating
  Debian-related resources.</p>
<p>
  If you would like to help with translation (e.g. installation messages,
  package descriptions, program interfaces, WWW pages like this one,
  documentation etc.) or if you have another idea for something that could be placed on this
  or other Debian pages, send an e-mail on the <email [email protected]>
  list.
</p>
<p>
  Formerly a lot of work was put into the
  <a href="http://debian.linux.org.pl/">Polish Documentation of Debian Project
  (PDDP)</a>, but it seems to be inactive these days.
</p>

<h2>Translation projects</h2>
<p>
<small>The following description was prepared at the end of 2013</small>
</p>

<strong>Installer (debian-installer, d-i)</strong>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian and derivatives (partially)</li>
 <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files)</li>
 <li>Making changes: directly in SVN/debian-l10n-polish@</li>
 <li>Statistics: <a href="http://d-i.debian.org/l10n-stats/">http://d-i.debian.org/l10n-stats/</a></li>
 <li>Repository: <a href="http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/packages/po/">http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/packages/po/</a></li>
 <li>Documentation: <a href="http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/i18n/">http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/i18n/</a></li>
</ul>

<p>
 The Debian Installer is now fully translated. It all needs to be reviewed at
 least for style, but is pretty good overall.
</p>
<p>
 These translation need an eye kept on them, with the new Debian
 release impending, because package maintainers tend to make changes in 
 English messages at the last minute.
</p>

<strong>WWW pages</strong>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian</li>
 <li>Translation format: WML</li>
 <li>Making changes: directly in SVN/debian-l10n-polish@</li>
 <li>Statistics: <a href="https://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/">https://www.debian.org/devel/website/stats/</a></li>
 <li>Repository: <a href="http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/polish/">http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/polish/</a></li>
 <li>Documentation: <a href="https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating">https://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating</a></li>
</ul>
<p>
 The main Debian web pages are translated, some are slightly outdated.
 The situation has begun to improve recently. It is not bad, though
 it could do with having at least a few important pages translated.
</p>

<strong>Debconf templates</strong>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian and derivatives (partially)</li>
 <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files)</li>
 <li>Making changes: bugs reports</li>
 <li>Statistics: <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pl">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pl</a></li>
</ul>
<p>
 Currently about 60% of debconf templates are translated. New templates
 are usually translated as they turn up, but there are still a lot of
 older templates which it would also be appropriate to translate.
</p>
<p>
 Debconf templates are those windows that appear sometimes 
 when you install/upgrade a package or call dpkg-reconfigure. 
 Descriptions for translation are usually very short, although
 some are difficult to translate without knowing the specifics
 of the package. Appropriate notice of an upcoming new version of the
 templates is sent out on the debian-i18n mailing lists, and the
 translated template must then be send as a bug report against this
 package with wishlist priority.
</p>

<strong>Manpages</strong>
 <ul>
  <li>Debian:
   <ul>
    <li>Scope: Debian</li>
    <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files)</li>
    <li>Making changes: bugs reports</li>
    <li>Statistics: <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po4a/pl">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po4a/pl</a></li>
   </ul>
    A lot of manpages are translated (mainly related to the packages dpkg, apt,
    aptitude, etc.). There are no major deficiencies.
  </li>
  <li>other (manpages-pl package):
   <ul>
    <li>Scope: GNU/Linux</li>
    <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files)</li>
    <li>Making changes: directly in git/[email protected]</li>
    <li>Repository:
     <ul>
      <li>via WWW: <a href="http://sourceforge.net/p/manpages-pl/code/ci/master/tree/">http://sourceforge.net/p/manpages-pl/code/ci/master/tree/</a></li>
      <li>via git: git://git.code.sf.net/p/manpages-pl/code</li>
     </ul>
    </li>
   </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

<p>
 Manuals with packages such as coreutils (rm, cat, etc.), util-linux 
 (dmesg, mkfs, etc.), manpages (proc, hosts, etc.) and others
 (sed, bash, etc.) are translated in the manpages-pl project, which 
 accepts every willing soul who wants to reduce even by one the
 list of nearly 700 completely outdated manual pages waiting for that
 volunteer's day of glory :-). Currently the translation of manpages-pl
 also goes at least to Fedora and Arch Linux (and, of course, 
 Ubuntu and other Debian derivatives).
</p>

<h2>Programs</h2>
<ul>
 <li>Debian:
  <ul>
   <li>Scope: Debian and derivatives (partially)</li>
   <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files)</li>
   <li>Making changes: bugs reports</li>
   <li>Statistics: <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pl">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pl</a></li>
  </ul>
   Currently most Debian programs are translated (mainly related to
   the packages dpkg, apt, aptitude etc.). There are no major deficencies.
 </li>
 <li>other
  <ul>
   <li>Scope: *nix</li>
   <li>Translation format: generally gettext (PO files)</li>
   <li>Making changes: various (source projects)</li>
   <li>Statistics: <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pl">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/pl</a></li>
  </ul>
   Programs from projects outside of Debian (including KDE, Gnome,
   etc) are translated in the source projects, where the situation
   is different. Although these packages appear in the statistics of
   translations to be done, it is not carried out within Debian!
 </li>
</ul>

<h2>Miscellaneous documentation, guides, ITP HOW-TO, etc. (DDP)</h2>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian</li>
 <li>Translation format: gettext (PO files) / docbook</li>
 <li>Making changes: directly in SVN/bug reports</li>
 <li>Repository: <a href="http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/ddp/manuals/trunk/">http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/ddp/manuals/trunk/</a></li>
 <li>Documentation: <a href="https://www.debian.org/doc/ddp">https://www.debian.org/doc/ddp</a></li>
</ul>
<p>
 At present the translations for the release notes and some minor
 items are current. However, most are in a sorry state. These
 documents for translation are very extensive, so translating (for
 instance) the Installation Guide requires the involvement of at least
 3-5 people.
</p>
<p>
 It should be noted that the original versions of the manuals also tend to be 
 slightly neglected.
</p>

<h2>Package descriptions (DDTP)</h2>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian and Ubuntu</li>
 <li>Translation format: HTML</li>
 <li>Making changes: <a href="http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/pl">http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/pl</a></li>
 <li>Statistics: <a href="http://ddtp.debian.net/stats">http://ddtp.debian.net/stats</a></li>
 <li>Documentation:
  <ul>
   <li><a href="http://ddtp.dug.net.pl/forum/">http://ddtp.dug.net.pl/forum/</a></li>
   <li><a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp</a></li>
  </ul>
 </li>
</ul>
<p>
 The most important package descriptions are now translated, but new
 ones are still coming, so you have watch on a regular basis.  Even sporadic
 activity is useful, since each description must be approved by two
 other people.
</p>
<p>
 Translating package descriptions is the simplest way of doing translation
 in Debian (at least if you do not have experience with translating PO files). 
 Unfortunately, the endless saga of the server located in Spain, in 
 Extremadura, causes frequent failures of the entire infrastructure that
 unfortunately sometimes last for weeks.
</p>
<p>
 Task-* package descriptions require special care because they show
 up in the Debian Installer.
</p>

<h2>News</h2>
<ul>
 <li>Scope: Debian</li>
 <li>Translation format: WML</li>
 <li>Making changes: directly in SVN/debian-publicity@</li>
 <li>Repository: <a href="http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/">http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/publicity/</a></li>
</ul>
<p>
 News is not translated into Polish and probably rightly so, because
 it is beyond our capabilities at the moment. Occasionally
 translations appear only for information such as a new Debian release.
 This section probably is currently the least important.
</p>

<h2>Explanation</h2>
<p>
 Explanation: by &quot;making changes&quot; we mean a place where 
 you can apply changes, or a list where you can send the finished
 translation file. All Debian lists are available at list.debian.org, so
 an entry such as &quot;debian-l10n-polish@&quot; means
 [email protected]. &quot;Bug reports&quot; means
 to send a mail with relevant context to the address
 [email protected] (more information at 
 <a href="https://www.debian.org/Bugs/">https://www.debian.org/Bugs/</a>).
</p>
<p>
 <strong>Note:</strong> some links can be found on page
 &quot;Central Debian translation statistics&quot; at 
 <a href="https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/">https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/</a>
</p>