Re: complaints about systemd

I will weigh in.

In the FOSS world - I could care less what people decide to code up and 
run. If you like it, go for it. Scratch that itch and share your code.

I liked the look of systemd early on, but this was in comparison to 
upstart. Debian's dash based init scripts always struck me as well 
thought out and robust.

For people with energy and inclination to radically change things, might 
I suggest two areas far more important than merging everything with 
init:

1. proper use of cpu rings
2. unified hardware raid interfaces and corresponding cli tools

Ok perhaps #2 isnt widely impacting. But OpenBSD has done it, i am still 
baffled that Linux is such a mess.


Dean


On 2014-10-09 07:25, Ray Andrews wrote:
> On 10/08/2014 12:39 PM, ael wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 03:32:58PM +0200, Michael wrote:
>>> The new system reduces some complexity on one side while introducing 
>>> much more on the other.
>> The whole design so far as I can see lacks the simplicity and
>> transparency that the greatest minds in computer science advocate.
>> 
>> That seems to be confirmed in that systemd is more or less permanently
>> broken, ...
> I don't  know enough to weigh in on this, but I spent the morning
> researching the subject and it does seem like this is no small issue.
> I myself am deeply troubled by what I read, it seems that cleverness
> has replaced level-headedness, wiz-bang technology has replaced
> simplicity and transparency, and featureitis has replaced stability.
> I hope this gets sorted out.  Me, I want my computer to boot reliably,
> and I wouldn't care even if it did take 2 seconds longer, and I want
> to be able to understand and even edit how it works.  But that's just
> me.
> 
> 
>> at least on all my machines. It takes *far longer* to boot up
>> and particularly shutdown than ever the old init system did.
>> I have given up even thinking about bug reporting it: what do I say?
>> Where are the logs that throw any light on the system problems?
>> Which bug do I report when it changes from day to day?
>> 
>> I suspect that many others are in a similar situation, so that the bug
>> tracking doesn't reflect the real situation.
>> 
>> All of that said, some of the underlying design ideas are good, but
>> particulary concurrent systems need that simplicity and transparency, 
>> and
>> the technology to do it exists if little used.
>> 
>> ael
>> 
>>