Re: sbuild on hurd-amd64...

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Quoting Samuel Thibault (2026-06-09 20:47:35)
> Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues, le mar. 09 juin 2026 20:41:27 +0200, a =
ecrit:
> > curl --silent http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/dists/unstable/m=
ain/binary-hurd-i386/Packages.xz | unxz | grep-dctrl -F Package netdde
> >=20
> > The above comes back empty. The netdde package is not part of the unsta=
ble
> > suite (but it is present in unreleased) and that's why mmdebstrap does =
not pick
> > it up when it is told to install a chroot for the suite called "unstabl=
e".
> >=20
> > Is this intentional?
>=20
> debian doesn't really want to see old linux code getting into the
> main archive just for the purpose of the hurd port. Same goes for
> rumpkernel and such.
>=20
> > Should I add a workaround?
>=20
> Yes, ports are often not really bootstrapable without the unreleased suit=
e.

Thank you! I manually added netdde for this reason and updated the debvm me=
rge
request accordingly:

https://salsa.debian.org/helmutg/debvm/-/merge_requests/39

With these changes I can create a bootable Hurd system on Linux by running:

mmdebstrap --unshare-helper \
  bin/debvm-create \
  -o ~/tmp/rootfs.ext4 \
  --sshkey /tmp/id_rsa.pub \
  --release=3Dunstable \
  --initsystem=3Dsysv \
  --architecture=3Dhurd-i386 \
  -- \
  --mode=3Dchrootless \
  --customize-hook=3D'echo root | passwd --prefix "$1" --stdin root' \
  "deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/ unstable main" \
  "deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/ unreleased main" \
  "deb [trusted=3Dyes] http://127.0.0.1:8080 ./"

I can then either log into this system as root with password root (but youpi
fixed autologin with the next src:hurd upload) or via ssh:

ssh -o NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost=3Dyes -p 2222 [email protected]

You can see that a custom local repo is still needed. This is for some pack=
ages
with patches that were not yet merged by the respective maintainers:

 * openssh https://salsa.debian.org/ssh-team/openssh/-/merge_requests/39
 * ifupdown https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ifupdown/-/merge_requests/31
 * init-system-helpers https://salsa.debian.org/debian/init-system-helpers/=
-/merge_requests/33
 * ucf https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ucf/-/merge_requests/5

For bit-by-bit reproducible installation we also need (but not strictly
required):

 * pam https://salsa.debian.org/vorlon/pam/-/merge_requests/33

And for the sysvinit/update-rc debhelper postinst snippet, some binNMUs sti=
ll
have to be carried out:

 * dbus https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1139311
 * seedfiles https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1139342

Theoretially a binNMU would've been necessary but its maintainer just did a
no-changes source upload instead.

So this is the current status. Patches exist and "just" need to get merged.=
 :)

Thanks!

cheers, josch
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