AW: Re: Planned obsolescence ? (was: Re: Architecture baseline for Forky)

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It's a really good point though about x86-64-v1. There are still thousands =
of Core2Duo systems out there. Anything pre-Nehalem just isn't x86-64-v2 co=
mpliant.
These systems basically flooded the used marked and are an entry point to l=
ow-cost computing for many. It's hard to justify locking out these users be=
fore support is dropped in the mainline Kernel.
It's only RHEL that's really pushing for it AFAIK. From their perspective i=
t's reasonable, because of the the marginal performance gains that would be=
nefit their customers. For anyone else it just isn't.
Cheers, JD
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  Am Di., Okt. 28, 2025 at 10:32 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz<glaubitz=
@physik.fu-berlin.de>:   On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 09:59 +0100, Romain Dolbeau =
wrote:
> Le lun. 27 oct. 2025 =C3=A0 22:58, Milan Kupcevic <[email protected]> a =
=C3=A9crit :
> > It would be more reasonable to count 7 years since mass sales or wide
> > availability ends as hardware typically lasts 5 to 7 years in productio=
n
> > environment.
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> Hardware lasts a lot longer. People are forced to update because
> vendors have given up on support and are forcing users to upgrade.
> It's called planned obsolescence, as I'm sure you all already know.

There is no such thing is planned obsolescence. Code has to be maintained a=
nd
that costs money. You cannot force any vendor to support old hardware forev=
er.

You can still pay them to get support for ancient hardware in most cases th=
ough.

Adrian

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It's a really good point though about x86-64-v1. There are still thousands =
of Core2Duo systems out there. Anything pre-Nehalem just isn't x86-64-v2 co=
mpliant.<div><br></div><div>These systems basically flooded the used marked=
 and are an entry point to low-cost computing for many. It's hard to justif=
y locking out these users before support is dropped in the mainline Kernel.=
</div><div><br></div><div>It's only RHEL that's really pushing for it AFAIK=
. From their perspective it's reasonable, because of the the marginal perfo=
rmance gains that would benefit their customers. For anyone else it just is=
n't.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, JD<br> <br> <blockquote style=3D"marg=
in: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; color:#6D00=
F6;"> <div>Am Di., Okt. 28, 2025 at 10:32 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz=
</div><div>&lt;[email protected]&gt;:</div> </div> <div style=3D=
"padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6=
;"> On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 09:59 +0100, Romain Dolbeau wrote:<div class=3D"y=
qt8366513807" id=3D"yqtfd35172"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; Le lun. 27 oct. 202=
5 =C3=A0 22:58, Milan Kupcevic &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mila=
[email protected]" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; a =
=C3=A9crit :<br clear=3D"none">&gt; &gt; It would be more reasonable to cou=
nt 7 years since mass sales or wide<br clear=3D"none">&gt; &gt; availabilit=
y ends as hardware typically lasts 5 to 7 years in production<br clear=3D"n=
one">&gt; &gt; environment.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; =
Hardware lasts a lot longer. People are forced to update because<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt; vendors have given up on support and are forcing users to up=
grade.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; It's called planned obsolescence, as I'm sure=
 you all already know.</div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">There is =
no such thing is planned obsolescence. Code has to be maintained and<br cle=
ar=3D"none">that costs money. You cannot force any vendor to support old ha=
rdware forever.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">You can still pay them=
 to get support for ancient hardware in most cases though.<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none">Adrian<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-- <br cle=
ar=3D"none"> .''`.&nbsp; John Paul Adrian Glaubitz<br clear=3D"none">: :' :=
&nbsp; Debian Developer<br clear=3D"none">`. `'&nbsp;  Physicist<br clear=
=3D"none">&nbsp; `-&nbsp; &nbsp; GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546&nbsp; 0006 7=
426 3B37 F5B5 F913<div class=3D"yqt8366513807" id=3D"yqtfd84744"><br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div> </div> </blockquote></div>
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