Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

没说强制，只是推荐使用统一码的utf-8方案，以便让计算机兼容处理其它语言文字，至于用户是否使用中文，我个人不在乎；由于技术问题不能使用utf-8的，用户有自由使用其它编码，或者即使使用utf-8，却加密只给看得懂的某些人看（和debian/debian-chinese相关主题），或者使用罕见的术语。
既积极使用公开的开放标准，又支持老用户和旧的使用方式，这是最好的发展方向，不是么？

的确，debian-chinese应该主要使用中文，但是也有特殊情况使用其它语言文字的，我只是强调这是unicode的特点之一，不是说鼓励大家使用非中文，或使用中文讨论非debian/debian-chinese相关话题。

我们讨论的不是技术问题，而是一个列表管理问题，没必要太过分讨论技术的细微末节，即：
1. 是否合并gb和big5列表?
2. 如果合并，列表是否自动进行简繁中文转换？并评估技术难度和需求。
3. 如果合并，是否保留原有的gb/big5列表?
4. 如果不合并，是否创建新的邮件列表？....

谢谢分享你的意见。
2008/5/22 Copacabunny <[email protected]>:

>
> big5和gb编码共存不是问题吧，maillist在这方面好像也不会有问题，由于大家使用的邮件客户端不同，所以为了方便没有必要强制改用utf-8编码吧。使用少数民族语言我认为是会影响阅读理解的，debian的讨论我想按语言分就好，而没有必要按所谓国家、民族分。个人认为交流方便是最重要的，编码可能解决了传输问题，但不能解决人理解不了不同民族语言的问题。
>
>
> 所以我个人的观点是：虽然支持简繁邮件列表的合并，但认为不必要使用UTF-8，也不需在这个汉语邮件列表中合并入非汉语的少数民族文字。如果少数民族朋友确有需要，可以去相应语言的讨论区，或讨论申请新的列表。
>
> 2008/5/21 Yufeng Lan <[email protected]>:
> >
> 抱歉延迟回复，我想鼓励大家都订使用utf8的统一中文用户列表，但是我担心有历史遗留问题（前面有的邮件谈到技术、文化、个人偏好上的困难），同时考虑到保存一个多样化的中文环境，简单的办法就是保留历史（
> > 至少50年不变:)
> >
> )，当然这要看社区资源是否允许这么"浪费"，其实喜欢"纯"简体和繁体的用户也可以设立邮件列表（反正g00g1e等免费提供，他们自己可以选举管理员，我也希望将来加入这些特殊的讨论组）。
> > 订阅2－3个邮件列表对我不是麻烦，我个人没问题。
> >
> >
> 不限语言，只要是想在华人世界讨论，什么语言都包容，包括维吾尔、藏文、德语、俄语、火星文、骇客语，这也是UTF8的优势。不然又有人或组织会抗议文化灭绝了。我们在某些文化问题上还是要注意，资源允许的条件下尽量包容，这对我们的社区有好处。
> >
> > 大家都提了不少好的建议，我个人非常高兴看到这么多好的点子。
> >
> > 2008/5/19 Zhan <[email protected]>:
> >>
> >> why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end up subscribe
> >> to all three, why not just merge them.
> >>
> >> 为什么，那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个，为什么不直接合并。
> >>
> >> 不限语言？我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受，至少大家懂。其它的还是不要了。
> >>
> >> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 同意，保持繁体的继续生存。
> >>> [email protected] 默认用utf8，不限语言，当然用户大部分是华人。
> >>> 其他保持原状不变，一国3码。
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <
> >>> [email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear All,
> >>>>
> >>>> My opinion is to reopen [email protected] to use utf8
> or
> >>>> to open another mailing list, named as
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>> Keep [email protected] and
> >>>> [email protected] for their local users.
> >>>> Then use traditional chinese in [email protected]
> >>>> and use simplified chinese in [email protected].
> >>>> Use both of traditional and simplified chinese in
> >>>> [email protected]/[email protected]
> >>>>
> >>>> $4
> >>>>
> >>>> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[email protected]>:
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> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the most active
> >>>> > in
> >>>> >  last couple months. :-)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  My option is to merge these two mailing list.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve their
> >>>> > problems, and users feel more comfortable when using the characters
> >>>> > they
> >>>> > can read. But there are already many local user group[1] set up
> online
> >>>> > forum for helping out the users, which makes the mission of these
> two
> >>>> > mailing lists marginal.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  Some people would say Debian is doing very good on supporting
> >>>> > Chinese.
> >>>> > But it does not mean we can stop the mailing list. Still, there are
> >>>> > many
> >>>> > decisions need to be made for the new packages and releases. And
> both
> >>>> > encodings/languages communities are sharing these results of these
> >>>> > decisions, since we are sharing the basically infrastructures for
> >>>> > fonts,
> >>>> > input method, configurations.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >  The mailing list is the right place to submit Chinese-related
> >>>> > suggestions, which is the place that Debian Developers can discuss
> and
> >>>> > work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will make this kind
> of
> >>>> > discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares support
> >>>> > big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people can easily read the
> >>>> > messages or translate the encodings by themselves. There is not need
> >>>> > to
> >>>> > split the mailing lists by encodings.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > best regards
> >>>> > - -Rex
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 1. http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73
> >>>> >   http://www.debsir.org/
> >>>> >   http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/
> >>>> >   http://moto.debian.org.tw/
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Zhan
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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