Re: Regular use of software translated into "Esperanto"?
Simeone Dominique <[email protected]> Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:20:50 +0000 (UTC)
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Dear friends,
I am esperantist and use debian in esperanto. In France, the lin=C5=ADx hel=
pers don't know what esperanto is. I hope that the comunity will continue t=
he work to translate and permit working in esperanto. I am in link in the w=
orld with this langage as well english.
Best lin=C5=ADxien wishes.
Mr.Dominique Simeone=20
Le mercredi 21 juin 2023 =C3=A0 12:11:51 UTC+2, Joop Kiefte <ikojba@gma=
il.com> a =C3=A9crit : =20
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You would be wrong here. Esperanto is actively used every day, and a good =
amount of people use their system in Esperanto, too. You can see this becau=
se everything that permits community translation generally has people at so=
me point starting a translation. TEJO, a youth NGO working on EU and UN lev=
el, has an office using Lin=C5=AD computers in Esperanto and software in Es=
peranto enables the usage of these computers by all people in the office. T=
here are other organizations too. Also, by having an Esperanto version you =
often enable other minority language versions where people have difficultie=
s learning English. This is exactly what happened with the Ipernity project=
, where the Czech and Chinese version were done using the Esperanto version=
as a pivot language. There are also about 200 - 2000 people who have Esper=
anto as one of their native languages. Also you have to realize that Espera=
nto is both easier to learn and easier to get translated than many local la=
nguages, so it does provide access even to people outside of the community.
It's hard to give an accurate number of users of software in Esperanto. I d=
o know that many projects have teams of over 10 people translating, so the =
people using the translation is probably a good amount higher than that.
You are right that people often have to actively select the Esperanto versi=
on, and whenever possible I always do. It's not a statement, it's a way to =
get the people you need to be accessible in big non-English markets to care=
about your project and often help you out even for free for those language=
s too.
On June 21, 2023 at 8:12 GMT, c buhtz <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello folks,
I know not much about Esperanto, only what I can read at Wikipedia.
I'm member of the upstream maintenance team of "Back In Time" [1][2].=20
Currently the project do partly offer Esperanto [3]. Because of=20
ressourrces and maintainability I think about removing that language=20
from the project. You might helping me understanding some points about=20
Esperanto.
I wonder if Esperanto speaking people do use there software that way? I=20
know that Debian offers Esperanto. Do you know about how many users this=20
are?
Please correct me if I'm wrong here. To my knowledge Esperanto is a=20
foreign (not mother tongue) language to the most people even the=20
Esperanto speakers them self. But some do grew up with Esperanto and it=20
is their mother tongue language. But it keeps their secondary mother=20
tongue language. They grew up in countries where Esperanto isn't the=20
primary language. Is there any country where it is primary language?
Am I right so far?
So I wonder if it make sense to translate the GUI of a software into=20
Esperanto.
From a technological point of view: In most cases (except the Esperanto=20
Debian users) the system language isn't Esperanto? So Esperanto isn't=20
selected by default when installing a software. You have to explicit=20
choose that in the settings of a specific software. Right?
Of course from the cultural and political perspective it make sense as a=20
"statement". It could be compared to translate software into minority=20
(e.g. Native American languages) or "forgotten" languages. But my=20
project don't have the resources for "statements".
Hope you can clear up some of that.
Kind
Christian
[1] -- <https://github.com/bit-team/backintime>
[2] -- <https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backintime>
[3] -- <https://translate.codeberg.org/projects/backintime/common/eo/>
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peranto is. I hope that the comunity will continue the work to translate an=
d permit working in esperanto. I am in link in the world with this langage =
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LTR">You would be wrong here. Esperanto is actively used every day, and a g=
ood amount of people use their system in Esperanto, too. You can see this b=
ecause everything that permits community translation generally has people a=
t some point starting a translation. TEJO, a youth NGO working on EU and UN=
level, has an office using Lin=C5=AD computers in Esperanto and software i=
n Esperanto enables the usage of these computers by all people in the offic=
e. There are other organizations too. Also, by having an Esperanto version =
you often enable other minority language versions where people have difficu=
lties learning English. This is exactly what happened with the Ipernity pro=
ject, where the Czech and Chinese version were done using the Esperanto ver=
sion as a pivot language. There are also about 200 - 2000 people who have E=
speranto as one of their native languages. Also you have to realize that Es=
peranto is both easier to learn and easier to get translated than many loca=
l languages, so it does provide access even to people outside of the commun=
ity.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">It's hard to give an accurate num=
ber of users of software in Esperanto. I do know that many projects have te=
ams of over 10 people translating, so the people using the translation is p=
robably a good amount higher than that.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
">You are right that people often have to actively select the Esperanto ver=
sion, and whenever possible I always do. It's not a statement, it's a way t=
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re about your project and often help you out even for free for those langua=
ges too.</div><div class=3D"ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096chatflow-embed"><br cle=
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op_extra"><br clear=3D"none">On June 21, 2023 at 8:12 GMT, c buhtz <<a s=
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referrer noopener">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><bloc=
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Esperanto, only what I can read at Wikipedia.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">I'm member of the upstream maintenance team of "Back In Time" [1]=
[2]. <br clear=3D"none">Currently the project do partly offer Esperanto [3]=
. Because of <br clear=3D"none">ressourrces and maintainability I think abo=
ut removing that language <br clear=3D"none">from the project. You might he=
lping me understanding some points about <br clear=3D"none">Esperanto.<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I wonder if Esperanto speaking people do u=
se there software that way? I <br clear=3D"none">know that Debian offers Es=
peranto. Do you know about how many users this <br clear=3D"none">are?<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Please correct me if I'm wrong here. To my=
knowledge Esperanto is a <br clear=3D"none">foreign (not mother tongue) la=
nguage to the most people even the <br clear=3D"none">Esperanto speakers th=
em self. But some do grew up with Esperanto and it <br clear=3D"none">is th=
eir mother tongue language. But it keeps their secondary mother <br clear=
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the <br clear=3D"none">primary language. Is there any country where it is p=
rimary language?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Am I right so far?<br=
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cept the Esperanto <br clear=3D"none">Debian users) the system language isn=
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software into minority <br clear=3D"none">(e.g. Native American languages) =
or "forgotten" languages. But my <br clear=3D"none">project don't have the =
resources for "statements".<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Hope you c=
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nk" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">https://github.com/bit-team/backintime><=
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debian.org/pkg/backintime>" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">h=
ttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backintime></a><br clear=3D"none">[3] -- &=
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