Re: Regular use of software translated into "Esperanto"?
Raul Claro <[email protected]> Wed, 21 Jun 2023 22:05:33 +0200
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5006EEDFCBB6E3CF18FE1D42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use the esperanto interface on firefox. But not on libreoffice, since it would need the aditional installation of 50 packages - too much, I think. Actually esperanto could be (have been) the lingua franca on internet, but it has not been able to assert itself. A pity. Still, I am very glad that there is a wikipedia edition in esperanto and some interfaces as well. Salutojn! Raúl On 21.06.23 12:20, Simeone Dominique wrote: > Dear friends, > > I am esperantist and use debian in esperanto. In France, the linŭx > helpers don't know what esperanto is. I hope that the comunity will > continue the work to translate and permit working in esperanto. I am > in link in the world with this langage as well english. > > Best linŭxien wishes. > > Mr.Dominique Simeone > > > Le mercredi 21 juin 2023 à 12:11:51 UTC+2, Joop Kiefte > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > You would be wrong here. Esperanto is actively used every day, and a > good amount of people use their system in Esperanto, too. You can see > this because everything that permits community translation generally > has people at some point starting a translation. TEJO, a youth NGO > working on EU and UN level, has an office using Linŭ computers in > Esperanto and software in Esperanto enables the usage of these > computers by all people in the office. There are other organizations > too. Also, by having an Esperanto version you often enable other > minority language versions where people have difficulties learning > English. This is exactly what happened with the Ipernity project, > where the Czech and Chinese version were done using the Esperanto > version as a pivot language. There are also about 200 - 2000 people > who have Esperanto as one of their native languages. Also you have to > realize that Esperanto is both easier to learn and easier to get > translated than many local languages, so it does provide access even > to people outside of the community. > > It's hard to give an accurate number of users of software in > Esperanto. I do know that many projects have teams of over 10 people > translating, so the people using the translation is probably a good > amount higher than that. > > You are right that people often have to actively select the Esperanto > version, and whenever possible I always do. It's not a statement, it's > a way to get the people you need to be accessible in big non-English > markets to care about your project and often help you out even for > free for those languages too. > > > On June 21, 2023 at 8:12 GMT, c buhtz <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > I know not much about Esperanto, only what I can read at Wikipedia. > > I'm member of the upstream maintenance team of "Back In Time" [1][2]. > Currently the project do partly offer Esperanto [3]. Because of > ressourrces and maintainability I think about removing that language > from the project. You might helping me understanding some points > about > Esperanto. > > I wonder if Esperanto speaking people do use there software that > way? I > know that Debian offers Esperanto. Do you know about how many > users this > are? > > Please correct me if I'm wrong here. To my knowledge Esperanto is a > foreign (not mother tongue) language to the most people even the > Esperanto speakers them self. But some do grew up with Esperanto > and it > is their mother tongue language. But it keeps their secondary mother > tongue language. They grew up in countries where Esperanto isn't the > primary language. Is there any country where it is primary language? > > Am I right so far? > > So I wonder if it make sense to translate the GUI of a software into > Esperanto. > > From a technological point of view: In most cases (except the > Esperanto > Debian users) the system language isn't Esperanto? So Esperanto isn't > selected by default when installing a software. You have to explicit > choose that in the settings of a specific software. Right? > > Of course from the cultural and political perspective it make > sense as a > "statement". It could be compared to translate software into minority > (e.g. Native American languages) or "forgotten" languages. But my > project don't have the resources for "statements". > > Hope you can clear up some of that. > > Kind > Christian > > [1] -- <https://github.com/bit-team/backintime> > [2] -- <https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backintime> > [3] -- <https://translate.codeberg.org/projects/backintime/common/eo/> > > > --------------5006EEDFCBB6E3CF18FE1D42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <font size="+1"><font face="DejaVu Sans">I use the esperanto interface on firefox. But not on libreoffice, since it would need the aditional installation of 50 packages - too much, I think. <br> <br> Actually esperanto could be (have been) the lingua franca on internet, but it has not been able to assert itself. A pity. Still, I am very glad that there is a wikipedia edition in esperanto and some interfaces as well.<br> <br> Salutojn!<br> <br> Raúl<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </font></font><br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.06.23 12:20, Simeone Dominique wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div class="ydp6f663e4cyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> <div> <div>Dear friends,</div> <div><br> </div> <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am esperantist and use debian in esperanto. In France, the linŭx helpers don't know what esperanto is. I hope that the comunity will continue the work to translate and permit working in esperanto. I am in link in the world with this langage as well english.</div> <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Best linŭxien wishes.</div> <div><br> </div> <div class="ydp6f663e4csignature"> <div style="font-size:16px;">Mr.Dominique Simeone</div> </div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <div id="ydp500aefe9yahoo_quoted_8137914280" class="ydp500aefe9yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> <div> Le mercredi 21 juin 2023 à 12:11:51 UTC+2, Joop Kiefte <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> a écrit : </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div> <div id="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096"> <div> <div dir="LTR">You would be wrong here. Esperanto is actively used every day, and a good amount of people use their system in Esperanto, too. You can see this because everything that permits community translation generally has people at some point starting a translation. TEJO, a youth NGO working on EU and UN level, has an office using Linŭ computers in Esperanto and software in Esperanto enables the usage of these computers by all people in the office. There are other organizations too. Also, by having an Esperanto version you often enable other minority language versions where people have difficulties learning English. This is exactly what happened with the Ipernity project, where the Czech and Chinese version were done using the Esperanto version as a pivot language. There are also about 200 - 2000 people who have Esperanto as one of their native languages. Also you have to realize that Esperanto is both easier to learn and easier to get translated than many local languages, so it does provide access even to people outside of the community.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> It's hard to give an accurate number of users of software in Esperanto. I do know that many projects have teams of over 10 people translating, so the people using the translation is probably a good amount higher than that.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> You are right that people often have to actively select the Esperanto version, and whenever possible I always do. It's not a statement, it's a way to get the people you need to be accessible in big non-English markets to care about your project and often help you out even for free for those languages too.</div> <div class="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096chatflow-embed"><br clear="none"> </div> <div id="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096yqt72381" class="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096yqt0409489502"> <div class="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096hop_extra"><br clear="none"> On June 21, 2023 at 8:12 GMT, c buhtz <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .2ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096hop_quote"> <div><br clear="none"> </div> Hello folks,<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I know not much about Esperanto, only what I can read at Wikipedia.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I'm member of the upstream maintenance team of "Back In Time" [1][2]. <br clear="none"> Currently the project do partly offer Esperanto [3]. Because of <br clear="none"> ressourrces and maintainability I think about removing that language <br clear="none"> from the project. You might helping me understanding some points about <br clear="none"> Esperanto.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> I wonder if Esperanto speaking people do use there software that way? I <br clear="none"> know that Debian offers Esperanto. Do you know about how many users this <br clear="none"> are?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Please correct me if I'm wrong here. To my knowledge Esperanto is a <br clear="none"> foreign (not mother tongue) language to the most people even the <br clear="none"> Esperanto speakers them self. But some do grew up with Esperanto and it <br clear="none"> is their mother tongue language. But it keeps their secondary mother <br clear="none"> tongue language. They grew up in countries where Esperanto isn't the <br clear="none"> primary language. Is there any country where it is primary language?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Am I right so far?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> So I wonder if it make sense to translate the GUI of a software into <br clear="none"> Esperanto.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> From a technological point of view: In most cases (except the Esperanto <br clear="none"> Debian users) the system language isn't Esperanto? So Esperanto isn't <br clear="none"> selected by default when installing a software. You have to explicit <br clear="none"> choose that in the settings of a specific software. Right?<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Of course from the cultural and political perspective it make sense as a <br clear="none"> "statement". It could be compared to translate software into minority <br clear="none"> (e.g. Native American languages) or "forgotten" languages. But my <br clear="none"> project don't have the resources for "statements".<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Hope you can clear up some of that.<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> Kind<br clear="none"> Christian<br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> [1] -- <<a shape="rect" href="https://github.com/bit-team/backintime>" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/bit-team/backintime></a><br clear="none"> [2] -- <<a shape="rect" href="https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backintime>" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/backintime></a><br clear="none"> [3] -- <<a shape="rect" href="https://translate.codeberg.org/projects/backintime/common/eo/>" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">https://translate.codeberg.org/projects/backintime/common/eo/></a><br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div><br clear="none"> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div class="ydp500aefe9yiv7011819096chatflow-status"><img src="https://bolt.im/t/?0nIzrNdGiB-ll-eKUD2X-lv6TEOJGOcyaz5ygO8HFq6cjzM7TQn_48-T1SSa0zCfJeUwdYquyxFTeSz7Pv3hbA" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true" moz-do-not-send="true"></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------5006EEDFCBB6E3CF18FE1D42--