Re: Debian Women Introduction
Yehuda Korotkin <[email protected]> Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:34:32 +0300
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--20cf303345f7486c1704fbf69b2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Brenda J. Butler, Thanks for the detailed email ! :-) >> young people today (everywhere), are just not interested in typing to write programs or communicate. -- Scary to imagine where this could lead ... We (all of us) can initiate process that will motivate contribution to community from schools. What the difference between contributing a code and volunteer some-where? Some people can volunteer, some people can write brilliant things (See value "Linus Torvalds", can anyone say that it be better to him volunteer gardening instead of writing code?) >> So I hope this helps! Course it helped a lot! Lots and lots of thanks! Soon I will send email to groups specified. Thanks a lot! On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Brenda J. Butler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello Yehuda, > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:22AM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote: > > Hello Debian Women, > > > > My name is Yehuda Korotkin and I teach technologies in one of leading > > colleges for women in Israel. > > > > I thought about the possibility of introduce Debian and the Debian > > community to the girls that i teach. > > > > Our girls will install Debian Linux for the first time in their lives > next > > week. I would like to take them on a journey in the Debian world (from > > installation to community behind code). And give them a feeling of > welcome > > and belonging to Debian. > > > > I think would be fun and interesting to make a video conference call with > > community and give them a general explanation about Debian, introduce > them > > to the community and get them welcome to the world of Debian > > > > We could allocate up to 45 minutes for this conference. > > The study hours are GMT+2 (Jerusalem Time) between Sun-Thu 10:00-19:00. > > > > I hope that in a soon will be more active profiles on > > https://www.debian.org/women/profiles/ > > > > > > So, What do you say ? > > Pros? > > Cons? > > > > >>> Your opinion is important to me, tell me what you think > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > Yehuda Korotkin > > > > <http://www.korotkin.co.il/> > > > > web www.korotkin.co.il > > > > mobile +972 (50) 414-6444 > > > > email [email protected] > ---end quoted text--- > > > Great that you are introducing your students to Debian! > > I'm not a big part of Debian aside from being a devoted user, but I'd > like to let you know about how Debian works in terms of > communications. > > Having a video conference like this is extremely unusual for the > Debian organization. Mostly the users and developers use email, irc > and other non-synchronous means for virtually all communication. Once > in a while, there is a conference and some Debian people will meet in > person. Mainly, the communications are not about introducing Debian - > the people communicating are already using Debian. There is very > little in the way of introductions/recruitment aside from the > web pages that describe Debian (www.debian.org and the wiki). > > I can see the value in making the introduction to the students more > interactive than the usual Debian communications though. A lot of > people, esp. young people today (everywhere), are just not interested > in typing to write programs or communicate. > > You have contacted a very good group in terms of getting a response > for talking to women (debian-women). > > In addition, there are some groups among Debian that support "events". > These people go to non-Debian conferences (that are willing to have > them) and promote Debian there. > > I think it might be worth sending an email to those lists (usually > called debian-events-???, like debian-events-na, etc). These people > are used to receiving requests similar to what you want and are > experienced in this kind of communication. Since you are willing to > do a video conference, then probably anyone anywhere in the world can > help you - they don't have to be in your region. It would help the > person who will be introducing Debian to know a bit about the > background of their audience. > > In terms of making the talk interesting to your students, these > groups can also get some items like stickers or t-shirts to sell > or give to the students. Normally they bring them to the event; > I'm not sure if it will be possible to ship stuff like that to > another country. Debian has pretty much no marketing budget. > > So I hope this helps! You can see a list of Debian mailing lists > here: > > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe > > and here is the list of mailing lists with "events" in the name: > > debian-events-eu europe > debian-events-ha hispanic america > debian-events-na north america > debian-events-nl netherlands > > I see also the lists with "dug" in the name (Debian user group, > maybe) help to coordinate events in their regions: > > debian-dug-by Belarus > debian-dug-ie ireland > debian-dug-in india > debian-dug-mx mexico > debian-dug-quebec quebec > > You can also connect with the #debian irc chat on oftc. It would > be closer to the kind of communications that Debian users are > accustomed to. See https://www.debian.org/support and search for > "On-line Real Time Help Using IRC" for more info. > > However, that channel is not really for social chitchat or general > introductions. It is more for solving specific problems that you > might run into while installing or using Debian. You can get > almost-real-time help from there. So it might be useful while your > students are actually doing their install. > > > Does anyone else have anything to add? > > > So I hope I haven't misrepresented Debian ... I have copied this > email to debian-events-na where I know there are some people > who might respond. > > bjb > > -- Regards, Yehuda Korotkin <http://www.korotkin.co.il/> web www.korotkin.co.il mobile +972 (50) 414-6444 email [email protected] --20cf303345f7486c1704fbf69b2a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Brenda J. Butler,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the = detailed email ! :-)</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;= font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans= -serif;font-size:13px">>> young people today (everywhere), are just n= ot interested=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-= size:13px">in typing to write programs or communicate.</span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">--=C2=A0</= span><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Scary to imagine where this could lea= d ...</font></div><div><br></div><div>We (all of us) can initiate process t= hat will motivate contribution to community from schools.=C2=A0</div> <div>What the difference between contributing a code and volunteer some-whe= re?=C2=A0<br></div><div>Some=C2=A0people=C2=A0can volunteer, some people ca= n write brilliant things (See value "Linus Torvalds", can anyone = say that it be better to him volunteer gardening instead of writing code?)<= /div> <div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1= 3px">>> So I hope this helps! =C2=A0</span><br></div><div>Course it h= elped a lot! Lots and lots of thanks!<br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sa= ns-serif"><br> </font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Soon I will send email t= o groups specified.=C2=A0</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"= ><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Thanks a lot!</font= ><br></div> </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri,= Jun 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Brenda J. Butler <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span>= wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> Hello Yehuda,<br> <div><div class=3D"h5"><br> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:22AM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote:<br> > Hello Debian Women,<br> ><br> > My name is Yehuda Korotkin and I teach technologies in one of leading<= br> > colleges for women in Israel.<br> ><br> > I thought about the possibility of introduce Debian and the Debian<br> > community to the girls that i teach.<br> ><br> > Our girls will install Debian Linux for the first time in their lives = next<br> > week. I would like to take them on a journey in the Debian world (from= <br> > installation to community behind code). And give them a feeling of wel= come<br> > and belonging to Debian.<br> ><br> > I think would be fun and interesting to make a video conference call w= ith<br> > community and give them a general explanation about Debian, introduce = them<br> > to the community and get them welcome to the world of Debian<br> ><br> > We could allocate up to 45 minutes for this conference.<br> > The study hours are GMT+2 (Jerusalem Time) between Sun-Thu 10:00-19:00= .<br> ><br> > I hope that in a soon will be more active profiles on<br> > <a href=3D"https://www.debian.org/women/profiles/" target=3D"_blank">h= ttps://www.debian.org/women/profiles/</a><br> ><br> ><br> > So, What do you say ?<br> > Pros?<br> > Cons?<br> ><br> > >>> Your opinion is important to me, tell me what you think<b= r> ><br> > --<br> ><br> > Regards,<br> > Yehuda Korotkin<br> ><br> </div></div>> <<a href=3D"http://www.korotkin.co.il/" target=3D"_blan= k">http://www.korotkin.co.il/</a>><br> <div class=3D"">><br> > web <a href=3D"http://www.korotkin.co.il" target=3D"_blank">www.korotk= in.co.il</a><br> ><br> > mobile <a href=3D"tel:%2B972%20%2850%29%20414-6444" value=3D"+97250414= 6444">+972 (50) 414-6444</a><br> ><br> > email <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</= a><br> </div>---end quoted text---<br> <br> <br> Great that you are introducing your students to Debian!<br> <br> I'm not a big part of Debian aside from being a devoted user, but I'= ;d<br> like to let you know about how Debian works in terms of<br> communications.<br> <br> Having a video conference like this is extremely unusual for the<br> Debian organization. =C2=A0Mostly the users and developers use email, irc<b= r> and other non-synchronous means for virtually all communication. =C2=A0Once= <br> in a while, there is a conference and some Debian people will meet in<br> person. =C2=A0Mainly, the communications are not about introducing Debian -= <br> the people communicating are already using Debian. =C2=A0There is very<br> little in the way of introductions/recruitment aside from the<br> web pages that describe Debian (<a href=3D"http://www.debian.org" target=3D= "_blank">www.debian.org</a> and the wiki).<br> <br> I can see the value in making the introduction to the students more<br> interactive than the usual Debian communications though. =C2=A0A lot of<br> people, esp. young people today (everywhere), are just not interested<br> in typing to write programs or communicate.<br> <br> You have contacted a very good group in terms of getting a response<br> for talking to women (debian-women).<br> <br> In addition, there are some groups among Debian that support "events&q= uot;.<br> These people go to non-Debian conferences (that are willing to have<br> them) and promote Debian there.<br> <br> I think it might be worth sending an email to those lists (usually<br> called debian-events-???, like debian-events-na, etc). =C2=A0These people<b= r> are used to receiving requests similar to what you want and are<br> experienced in this kind of communication. =C2=A0Since you are willing to<b= r> do a video conference, then probably anyone anywhere in the world can<br> help you - they don't have to be in your region. =C2=A0It would help th= e<br> person who will be introducing Debian to know a bit about the<br> background of their audience.<br> <br> In terms of making the talk interesting to your students, these<br> groups can also get some items like stickers or t-shirts to sell<br> or give to the students. =C2=A0Normally they bring them to the event;<br> I'm not sure if it will be possible to ship stuff like that to<br> another country. =C2=A0Debian has pretty much no marketing budget.<br> <br> So I hope this helps! =C2=A0You can see a list of Debian mailing lists<br> here:<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe</a><br> <br> and here is the list of mailing lists with "events" in the name:<= br> <br> debian-events-eu =C2=A0 =C2=A0 europe<br> debian-events-ha =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hispanic america<br> debian-events-na =C2=A0 =C2=A0 north america<br> debian-events-nl =C2=A0 =C2=A0 netherlands<br> <br> I see also the lists with "dug" in the name (Debian user group,<b= r> maybe) help to coordinate events in their regions:<br> <br> debian-dug-by =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Belarus<br> debian-dug-ie =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0ireland<br> debian-dug-in =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0india<br> debian-dug-mx =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mexico<br> debian-dug-quebec =C2=A0 =C2=A0quebec<br> <br> You can also connect with the #debian irc chat on oftc. =C2=A0It would<br> be closer to the kind of communications that Debian users are<br> accustomed to. =C2=A0See <a href=3D"https://www.debian.org/support" target= =3D"_blank">https://www.debian.org/support</a> and search for<br> "On-line Real Time Help Using IRC" for more info.<br> <br> However, that channel is not really for social chitchat or general<br> introductions. =C2=A0It is more for solving specific problems that you<br> might run into while installing or using Debian. =C2=A0You can get<br> almost-real-time help from there. =C2=A0So it might be useful while your<br= > students are actually doing their install.<br> <br> <br> Does anyone else have anything to add?<br> <br> <br> So I hope I haven't misrepresented Debian ... I have copied this<br> email to debian-events-na where I know there are some people<br> who might respond.<br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> bjb<br> <br> </font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <b= r><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><p style=3D"margin:0px"><font face=3D"Times New Roma= n">Regards</font><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman';font-= size:small">,</span><br> <span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium">Yehu= da Korotkin</span></p><table border=3D"0" width=3D"100%" cellspacing=3D"2" = cellpadding=3D"0" style=3D"font-family:Ubuntu;font-size:12px;margin:0px"><t= body><tr> <td><p style=3D"margin:0px"><a href=3D"http://www.korotkin.co.il/" target= =3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http://www.korotkin.co.il/logo.png"></a><br></p></t= d><td style=3D"vertical-align:top"><p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"f= ont-family:tahoma">web=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.korotkin.co.il/" s= tyle=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:= tahoma;color:rgb(255,126,0)">www.korotkin.co.il</span></a><span style=3D"fo= nt-family:tahoma"></span></p> <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma">mobile=C2=A0</sp= an><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma;color:rgb(255,126,0)"><a value=3D"+972= 504146444" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">+972 (50) 414-6444</a></span><spa= n style=3D"font-family:tahoma"></span></p> <p style=3D"margin:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma">email=C2=A0</spa= n><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma;color:rgb(255,126,0)"><a href=3D"mailto= :[email protected]" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">ye= [email protected]</a></span><span style=3D"font-family:tahoma"></span></p= > </td></tr></tbody></table><table style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman&= #39;"><tbody><tr><td><br></td><td><br></td></tr></tbody></table></div> </div> --20cf303345f7486c1704fbf69b2a--