Re: Debian 11 freezes on Dell Latitude e6520
[email protected] Sun, 26 Dec 2021 15:50:52 -0000
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--===============1078997434224945876== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonjour, =20 =20 Comment on fait pour etre d=C3=A9sinscrit de cette liste de diffusion s= vp? =20 =20 On Sunday, December 26, 2021 4:41 PM, "Miguel Ortiz Lombard=C3=ADa" <[email protected]> wrote: =20 > > Hello Andy, > =20 > Thank you for your answer. > The computer has 8 Gb memory, a lot more than enough to load the = image. > The graphics are NVIDIA 4200M, with drivers provided, under Debia= n 10, > by the legacy deb packages. > =20 > Of course, I could try upgrading directly from Debian 10 and rely= on > the backups if something goes wrong. As said, I did that for prev= ious > releases... but only after having successfully made a test with t= he live > image. > =20 > But you gave me one idea: I'll try the =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D= live image, without > any graphics and try to build from that to see what happens. > =20 > Cheerio! > =20 > mol > =20 > =20 > =20 > El Sun, 26 Dec 2021 13:17:07 +0000 > "Andrew M.A. Cater" <[email protected]> escribi=C3=B3: > =20 > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:47:27AM +0100, Miguel Ortiz Lombard= =C3=ADa > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have been using Debian on a Dell Latitude e6520 for ten yea= rs now. > > > At present, it runs without problem an up-to-date Debian 10 s= ystem. > > > > > > From the beginning, before upgrading to any new release, I tr= ied its > > > live image. This strategy has always successfully allowed upg= rading > > > without stress. Sometimes I would do an upgrade, sometimes a = clean > > > new installation. The latter one was the case for Debian 10. > > > > > > Now, since Debian 11 was released earlier this year, I've been > > > testing its behaviour on the machine. Unfortunately, even wit= h the > > > latest live image, including non-free firmware, the test is n= ot > > > passed. The computer boots well and the graphical interface (I > > > tried my usual xfce, but also mate) appears neat and working. > > > However, after a few moments varying from few seconds to no m= ore > > > than a couple of minutes, the system freezes completely. Impo= ssible > > > to open a console, there is no answer at all, only physical > > > shutdown is possible. > > > > Hi Mol, > > > > How much memory? What graphics? If you have the Nvidia NV620 an= d 4GB > > it's probably best _not_ to use the live disk - it takes a large > > amount of memory to get the live CD to boot and if nouveau is n= ot the > > ideal driver then you do get lockups and similar. > > > > If you are currently using the non-free drivers on Debian 10, t= hen you > > could, potentially just upgrade to Debian 11 on the same hardwa= re. I > > do find it easier to install a bare minimum text only system if > > feasible _then_ install the non-free drivers but that may not be > > possible for you. > > > > All the very best, as ever, > > > > Andy Cater > > > > > I have searched for other people having similar problems and = found a > > > forum where someone described the same issue with the Manjaro > > > distro: > > > > > > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=3D6d5881750= b8f3ceb6a12708b3a7683c9&p=3D6287384#post6287384 > > > > > > Unfortunately, the only advice given is to switch to another > > > distribution (AntiX is mentioned) I would prefer to stay on D= ebian, > > > but it's true that when support and security updates will arr= ive to > > > an end for Debian 10, I will need to move anyway to a differe= nt > > > distro if this problem is not solved. > > > > > > Incidentally, I must say that I'm also unable to run Tails on= this > > > machine since a few releases ago, for what looks as precisely= the > > > same problem. > > > > > > I wonder if this trouble could result from the upgrading of t= he > > > kernel to version 5.x? Or from the newest versions of Xorg or= the > > > nouveau driver? By the way, I thought that the non-free nvidia > > > module and not nouveau would be used in the live images with > > > non-free firmware. > > > > Nvidia non-free modules really need to be built per machine: no= uveau > > is a good compromise. > > > > > > > The only debugging step I have managed to take during the few > > > seconds where the system is running is capturing in a file, on > > > another USB stick, the output of: > > > > > > # sudo dmesg -wH > > > > > > I have compared it with the results of the same command on my > > > normally running Debian 10. But my capacities to extract from= there > > > any useful information are too limited. I hesitate to send th= ose > > > longs files to the list. > > > > > > Any clues would be welcomed. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > -- mol > > > =20 > > > > > =20 > =20 > > =20 --===============1078997434224945876== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span class=3D"font" style= =3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class=3D"colour" = style=3D"color: rgb(59, 67, 92); --darkreader-inline-color: #c1bbb1;" d= ata-darkreader-inline-color=3D""><span class=3D"size" style=3D"font-siz= e: medium">Bonjour,</span></span></span><br /></div><p xmlns=3D"http://= www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px;= color: rgb(59, 67, 92); font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: medi= um; --darkreader-inline-color: #c1bbb1;" data-darkreader-inline-color= =3D""><br /></p><p xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" style=3D"over= flow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px; color: rgb(59, 67, 92); font-family= : arial, helvetica; font-size: medium; --darkreader-inline-color: #c1bb= b1;" data-darkreader-inline-color=3D""><span class=3D"font" style=3D"fo= nt-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span class=3D"colour" style= =3D"color: rgb(59, 67, 92); --darkreader-inline-color: #c1bbb1;" data-d= arkreader-inline-color=3D""><span class=3D"size" style=3D"font-size: me= dium">Comment on fait pour etre d=C3=A9sinscrit de cette liste de diffu= sion svp?</span></span></span><br /></p><div xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org= /1999/xhtml"><br /></div><p xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" styl= e=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px; color: rgb(59, 67, 92); fo= nt-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: medium; --darkreader-inline-col= or: #c1bbb1;" data-darkreader-inline-color=3D"">On Sunday, December 26,= 2021 4:41 PM, "Miguel Ortiz Lombard=C3=ADa" <[email protected]> w= rote:<br /></p><blockquote xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><pre = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" id=3D"body.mime.1">Hello Andy, Thank you for your answer. The computer has 8 Gb memory, a lot more than enough to load the image. The graphics are NVIDIA 4200M, with drivers provided, under Debian 10, by the legacy deb packages. Of course, I could try upgrading directly from Debian 10 and rely on the backups if something goes wrong. As said, I did that for previous releases... but only after having successfully made a test with the live image. But you gave me one idea: I'll try the =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D live = image, without any graphics and try to build from that to see what happens. Cheerio! mol El Sun, 26 Dec 2021 13:17:07 +0000 "Andrew M.A. Cater" <[email protected]> escribi=C3=B3: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:47:27AM +0100, Miguel Ortiz Lombard=C3= =ADa > wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > I have been using Debian on a Dell Latitude e6520 for ten yea= rs now. > > At present, it runs without problem an up-to-date Debian 10 s= ystem. > >=20 > > From the beginning, before upgrading to any new release, I tr= ied its > > live image. This strategy has always successfully allowed upg= rading > > without stress. Sometimes I would do an upgrade, sometimes a = clean > > new installation. The latter one was the case for Debian 10. > >=20 > > Now, since Debian 11 was released earlier this year, I've been > > testing its behaviour on the machine. Unfortunately, even wit= h the > > latest live image, including non-free firmware, the test is n= ot > > passed. The computer boots well and the graphical interface (I > > tried my usual xfce, but also mate) appears neat and working. > > However, after a few moments varying from few seconds to no m= ore > > than a couple of minutes, the system freezes completely. Impo= ssible > > to open a console, there is no answer at all, only physical > > shutdown is possible.=20 >=20 > Hi Mol, >=20 > How much memory? What graphics? If you have the Nvidia NV620 and 4= GB > it's probably best _not_ to use the live disk - it takes a large > amount of memory to get the live CD to boot and if nouveau is not = the > ideal driver then you do get lockups and similar. >=20 > If you are currently using the non-free drivers on Debian 10, then= you > could, potentially just upgrade to Debian 11 on the same hardware.= I > do find it easier to install a bare minimum text only system if > feasible _then_ install the non-free drivers but that may not be > possible for you. >=20 > All the very best, as ever, >=20 > Andy Cater >=20 > > I have searched for other people having similar problems and = found a > > forum where someone described the same issue with the Manjaro > > distro: > >=20 > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=3D6= d5881750b8f3ceb6a12708b3a7683c9&p=3D6287384#post6287384 > >=20 > > Unfortunately, the only advice given is to switch to another > > distribution (AntiX is mentioned) I would prefer to stay on D= ebian, > > but it's true that when support and security updates will arr= ive to > > an end for Debian 10, I will need to move anyway to a differe= nt > > distro if this problem is not solved. > >=20 > > Incidentally, I must say that I'm also unable to run Tails on= this > > machine since a few releases ago, for what looks as precisely= the > > same problem. > >=20 > > I wonder if this trouble could result from the upgrading of t= he > > kernel to version 5.x? Or from the newest versions of Xorg or= the > > nouveau driver? By the way, I thought that the non-free nvidia > > module and not nouveau would be used in the live images with > > non-free firmware.=20 >=20 > Nvidia non-free modules really need to be built per machine: nouve= au > is a good compromise. >=20 >=20 > > The only debugging step I have managed to take during the few > > seconds where the system is running is capturing in a file, on > > another USB stick, the output of: > >=20 > > # sudo dmesg -wH > >=20 > > I have compared it with the results of the same command on my > > normally running Debian 10. But my capacities to extract from= there > > any useful information are too limited. I hesitate to send th= ose > > longs files to the list. > >=20 > > Any clues would be welcomed. > >=20 > > Cheers, > >=20 > > -- mol > > =20 >=20 >=20 <br /></pre></blockquote><p xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" styl= e=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px; color: rgb(59, 67, 92); fo= nt-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: medium; --darkreader-inline-col= or: #c1bbb1;" data-darkreader-inline-color=3D""><br /></p> --===============1078997434224945876==--