Re: Initial Thoughts, migration from Ubuntu ahead

Joking? WTF?! Henri, please! I respect you. I wrote already, I am not a
"hacker", just a "power user". I tryed freshing my GoboLinux not via
scratch, but from step-by-step under my existing GoboLinux system. (The new
Glibc from chroot environment). Lot of packages succeeded, a few not. If
you are much brainy as I, do it, and share with me and others you
up-to-date Gobo-distro, and I will very happy to your success!
Congratulations! No joking, no irony, no jest/mock/ridicule/scorn, simple I
not have enough knowledge to this work. But if you wrote the steps of
procedure, I can learn very lot at You, and I give to You big-big thanks
for an up-to-date GoboLinux, because I very like this distro, if you do it,
I see You as my Master in the distro-hacking! Yes! No joking! I welcome a
new release of the GoboLinux!
As tribute, that I no joking with you, and I very like Gobolinux, see this
book, I wrote it, about the GoboLinux, of course in hungarian language:
http://mek.oszk.hu/05800/05895/
If you create to me a fresh, at least commandline Gobo-release, I will very
respect you, and very happy to your beautiful work!

Zoli

2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>

> Are you serious or are you joking?
>
> I just read the LFS again and realised it can be summarized:
> 1. prepare the toolchain and a target file system
> 2. compile everything and install into the file system
> 3. install boot scripts you need to start it up.
>
> Therefore I were wrong with the proposal that I'd learn something new
> from actually doing the things in LFS.
>
> It seems to be essentially same for GoboLinux. Just instead of
> installing programs into specific places, you install them into the
> hierarchy provided by GoboLinux and provide symbolic links into the
> /System directory. The /boot seems to sit in /System/Kernel/Boot .
>
> Also, you already have automatic installer, that I used to install it
> into virtualbox at the first time. It is located in
> /Programs/Installer. It's even written in my favorite language, which
> means I can easily read there how GoboLinux goes to my hard drive.
> Apparently no "Gobo From Scratch" is needed here.
>
> The current kernel in my virtualbox installation seems to be of
> version 2.6.24. On the new versions of gcc etc.. Doesn't GoboLinux
> allow multiple installations of gcc, that I can swap? The software
> that goes behind.. Couldn't I just tell them to use older versions of
> gcc and ld at compiling?
>
> You were correct with your first post.. Maybe I should just hop into
> this new system and really take it my own! If something is missing,
> I'd be able of *creating* it anyway. You're also right about the
> documentation though. I should document what I am going to do, and
> what I've already done.
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Okay, start it from scratch, if you are a profi hacker! Have a good day
> > (week...)! I please you, during building it from scratch, please write
> the
> > building method (order) step-by-step, how you do it, and, if/when you
> have
> > succes, you have a working new Gobo-distro, you can write a book about
> this
> > procedure, named "GFS" (=Gobo From Scratch).
> >
> > Zoli
> >
> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
> >>
> >> Do I need GCC? Would the compilation succeed with LLVM clang?
> >>
> >> I'd still like trying building Gobo from scratch, as it reveals me
> >> much about the linux and gobo both.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> > I think, you not should build the new Gobo from scratch. Much easyer
> >> > start
> >> > with/in the old GoboRelease, and make it up-to-date step-by-step. I
> >> > think,
> >> > the good order are cca as it written in the LFS:
> >> >
> >> > 1. New Glibc
> >> > 2. New GCC
> >> > 3. Make, BinUtils, etc
> >> > 4. Ncurses (need to menuconfig), readline, etc...
> >> > 5. kernel...
> >> > 6. Other stuffs...
> >> >
> >> > Zoli
> >> >
> >> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems I should compile the new kernel.. and provide version of
> >> >> GoboLinux that works with one. I should start with Linux From Scratch
> >> >> perhaps?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hello Henri, excuse me for the bad English... I am from Hungary.
> (but
> >> >> > now I
> >> >> > live in the USA). The GoboLinux-idea very good, this is my likely
> >> >> > "Loved
> >> >> > One" distro. I wrote a book (in hungarian language) about it long
> >> >> > time
> >> >> > ago.
> >> >> > But, sorry, the latest release very obsolete, and Hisham said, that
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > developers no more develop this distro, not coming soon fresh
> >> >> > release! I
> >> >> > tryed create a new, cca up-to-date release, as my "special
> edition".
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > on my computer, good, but I am not satisfied with it, because I
> >> >> > cannot
> >> >> > compile lot of programs good with the new GCC, Glibc and Ncurses.
> >> >> > Because
> >> >> > this, I cannot compile new kernel, the make menuconfig not work (it
> >> >> > need
> >> >> > new
> >> >> > ncurses). Without ncurses, I cannot compile my preferred
> musicplayer,
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > "moc" (music on console). And, I have other problem: I not have
> >> >> > enough
> >> >> > knowledge to compile and install new udev!
> >> >> > The biggest problem in the compiling of moc and other stuf, in the
> >> >> > new
> >> >> > behavior of "ld". (This is in the BinUtils). The developers of "ld"
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > modifyed (changed) the behavior of new "ld". And I not have enough
> >> >> > knowledge, re-create the Makefiles of lot of programs (ncurses,
> moc,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > others).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Other programs give me not too big and lot of problems, thats work
> >> >> > good.
> >> >> > Sorry, I am not a "profi hacker", just a "power user". But, I tell
> >> >> > you,
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > I not like the "userfriendly", "eyecandy" desktop environments
> >> >> > (Gnome,
> >> >> > KDE...), I think, there are bloatwares, and superfluous. My
> preferred
> >> >> > windows manager is the "SithWM"... If you can create a fresh
> >> >> > commandline-capable new minimal-gobolinux-release, with new Udev,
> >> >> > GCC,
> >> >> > Glibc, kernel, and ncurses (and mc, for trying the new ncurses...)
> I
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > like help to you in the developing, but not in the KDE and Gnome
> >> >> > desktop! I
> >> >> > like maximum the XFCE, but better any *box.  Or maybe LXDE. Or any
> >> >> > other
> >> >> > very minimal window manager. I very like and preferre the
> >> >> > commandline-tools
> >> >> > and programs (and ncurses, xbindkeys...).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Zoli
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I installed GoboLinux to virtualbox today, in Ubuntu. It still
> takes
> >> >> >> some time for me to figure out where everything is now though!
> Now I
> >> >> >> think I might like this thing, but I'd need to understand it far
> >> >> >> much
> >> >> >> better than what I do. I might need some initial help on
> installing
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> to more machines. I'm also considering to become a contributor to
> >> >> >> GoboLinux.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've read the at glance, FAQ, unix tree rethought, clueless, and
> >> >> >> glanced some other pages in documentation. Going to read more
> >> >> >> tomorrow, perhaps even going far as installing it to my machine!
> For
> >> >> >> that I'd need to get nvidia drivers, steam and chrome working, and
> >> >> >> maybe catch some window manager that doesn't drive me crazy, xfce
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> example.. or openbox.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For development, I'd also probably want to install gobolinux to
> >> >> >> raspberry pi, so I could do some wayland stuff that is not running
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> my primary machine at the moment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> IF it turns out GoboLinux is exactly what I'm looking at, then it
> >> >> >> means I will be probably modifying it. I think I'd like to work on
> >> >> >> GoboLinux at times, to make it more friendly to people such as
> >> >> >> artists
> >> >> >> and elderly people. This would mainly mean improvements to the
> >> >> >> Manager, some way to handle always running services in
> user-friendly
> >> >> >> manner (RunIt perhaps?), changes into graphics environment, to
> make
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> easier to manage the system.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Heh.. it feels that so little few small things are wrong once
> every
> >> >> >> program is located where they actually SHOULD be. I might turn out
> >> >> >> with my own distro in the process.
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