Re: Initial Thoughts, migration from Ubuntu ahead

Henri if you can try to get in touch with mwh, hes the most knowledgable
person around irt gobo. He hangs out in #gobolinux on freenode
-fowl
On Jun 6, 2013 5:05 PM, "Viola Zoltán" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Joking? WTF?! Henri, please! I respect you. I wrote already, I am not a
> "hacker", just a "power user". I tryed freshing my GoboLinux not via
> scratch, but from step-by-step under my existing GoboLinux system. (The new
> Glibc from chroot environment). Lot of packages succeeded, a few not. If
> you are much brainy as I, do it, and share with me and others you
> up-to-date Gobo-distro, and I will very happy to your success!
> Congratulations! No joking, no irony, no jest/mock/ridicule/scorn, simple I
> not have enough knowledge to this work. But if you wrote the steps of
> procedure, I can learn very lot at You, and I give to You big-big thanks
> for an up-to-date GoboLinux, because I very like this distro, if you do it,
> I see You as my Master in the distro-hacking! Yes! No joking! I welcome a
> new release of the GoboLinux!
> As tribute, that I no joking with you, and I very like Gobolinux, see this
> book, I wrote it, about the GoboLinux, of course in hungarian language:
> http://mek.oszk.hu/05800/05895/
> If you create to me a fresh, at least commandline Gobo-release, I will
> very respect you, and very happy to your beautiful work!
>
> Zoli
>
> 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
>
>> Are you serious or are you joking?
>>
>> I just read the LFS again and realised it can be summarized:
>> 1. prepare the toolchain and a target file system
>> 2. compile everything and install into the file system
>> 3. install boot scripts you need to start it up.
>>
>> Therefore I were wrong with the proposal that I'd learn something new
>> from actually doing the things in LFS.
>>
>> It seems to be essentially same for GoboLinux. Just instead of
>> installing programs into specific places, you install them into the
>> hierarchy provided by GoboLinux and provide symbolic links into the
>> /System directory. The /boot seems to sit in /System/Kernel/Boot .
>>
>> Also, you already have automatic installer, that I used to install it
>> into virtualbox at the first time. It is located in
>> /Programs/Installer. It's even written in my favorite language, which
>> means I can easily read there how GoboLinux goes to my hard drive.
>> Apparently no "Gobo From Scratch" is needed here.
>>
>> The current kernel in my virtualbox installation seems to be of
>> version 2.6.24. On the new versions of gcc etc.. Doesn't GoboLinux
>> allow multiple installations of gcc, that I can swap? The software
>> that goes behind.. Couldn't I just tell them to use older versions of
>> gcc and ld at compiling?
>>
>> You were correct with your first post.. Maybe I should just hop into
>> this new system and really take it my own! If something is missing,
>> I'd be able of *creating* it anyway. You're also right about the
>> documentation though. I should document what I am going to do, and
>> what I've already done.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Okay, start it from scratch, if you are a profi hacker! Have a good day
>> > (week...)! I please you, during building it from scratch, please write
>> the
>> > building method (order) step-by-step, how you do it, and, if/when you
>> have
>> > succes, you have a working new Gobo-distro, you can write a book about
>> this
>> > procedure, named "GFS" (=Gobo From Scratch).
>> >
>> > Zoli
>> >
>> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
>> >>
>> >> Do I need GCC? Would the compilation succeed with LLVM clang?
>> >>
>> >> I'd still like trying building Gobo from scratch, as it reveals me
>> >> much about the linux and gobo both.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >> > I think, you not should build the new Gobo from scratch. Much easyer
>> >> > start
>> >> > with/in the old GoboRelease, and make it up-to-date step-by-step. I
>> >> > think,
>> >> > the good order are cca as it written in the LFS:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. New Glibc
>> >> > 2. New GCC
>> >> > 3. Make, BinUtils, etc
>> >> > 4. Ncurses (need to menuconfig), readline, etc...
>> >> > 5. kernel...
>> >> > 6. Other stuffs...
>> >> >
>> >> > Zoli
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It seems I should compile the new kernel.. and provide version of
>> >> >> GoboLinux that works with one. I should start with Linux From
>> Scratch
>> >> >> perhaps?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hello Henri, excuse me for the bad English... I am from Hungary.
>> (but
>> >> >> > now I
>> >> >> > live in the USA). The GoboLinux-idea very good, this is my likely
>> >> >> > "Loved
>> >> >> > One" distro. I wrote a book (in hungarian language) about it long
>> >> >> > time
>> >> >> > ago.
>> >> >> > But, sorry, the latest release very obsolete, and Hisham said,
>> that
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > developers no more develop this distro, not coming soon fresh
>> >> >> > release! I
>> >> >> > tryed create a new, cca up-to-date release, as my "special
>> edition".
>> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > on my computer, good, but I am not satisfied with it, because I
>> >> >> > cannot
>> >> >> > compile lot of programs good with the new GCC, Glibc and Ncurses.
>> >> >> > Because
>> >> >> > this, I cannot compile new kernel, the make menuconfig not work
>> (it
>> >> >> > need
>> >> >> > new
>> >> >> > ncurses). Without ncurses, I cannot compile my preferred
>> musicplayer,
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > "moc" (music on console). And, I have other problem: I not have
>> >> >> > enough
>> >> >> > knowledge to compile and install new udev!
>> >> >> > The biggest problem in the compiling of moc and other stuf, in the
>> >> >> > new
>> >> >> > behavior of "ld". (This is in the BinUtils). The developers of
>> "ld"
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > modifyed (changed) the behavior of new "ld". And I not have enough
>> >> >> > knowledge, re-create the Makefiles of lot of programs (ncurses,
>> moc,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > others).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Other programs give me not too big and lot of problems, thats work
>> >> >> > good.
>> >> >> > Sorry, I am not a "profi hacker", just a "power user". But, I tell
>> >> >> > you,
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > I not like the "userfriendly", "eyecandy" desktop environments
>> >> >> > (Gnome,
>> >> >> > KDE...), I think, there are bloatwares, and superfluous. My
>> preferred
>> >> >> > windows manager is the "SithWM"... If you can create a fresh
>> >> >> > commandline-capable new minimal-gobolinux-release, with new Udev,
>> >> >> > GCC,
>> >> >> > Glibc, kernel, and ncurses (and mc, for trying the new
>> ncurses...) I
>> >> >> > would
>> >> >> > like help to you in the developing, but not in the KDE and Gnome
>> >> >> > desktop! I
>> >> >> > like maximum the XFCE, but better any *box.  Or maybe LXDE. Or any
>> >> >> > other
>> >> >> > very minimal window manager. I very like and preferre the
>> >> >> > commandline-tools
>> >> >> > and programs (and ncurses, xbindkeys...).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Zoli
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 2013/6/6 Henri Tuhola <[email protected]>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I installed GoboLinux to virtualbox today, in Ubuntu. It still
>> takes
>> >> >> >> some time for me to figure out where everything is now though!
>> Now I
>> >> >> >> think I might like this thing, but I'd need to understand it far
>> >> >> >> much
>> >> >> >> better than what I do. I might need some initial help on
>> installing
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> to more machines. I'm also considering to become a contributor to
>> >> >> >> GoboLinux.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've read the at glance, FAQ, unix tree rethought, clueless, and
>> >> >> >> glanced some other pages in documentation. Going to read more
>> >> >> >> tomorrow, perhaps even going far as installing it to my machine!
>> For
>> >> >> >> that I'd need to get nvidia drivers, steam and chrome working,
>> and
>> >> >> >> maybe catch some window manager that doesn't drive me crazy, xfce
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> example.. or openbox.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For development, I'd also probably want to install gobolinux to
>> >> >> >> raspberry pi, so I could do some wayland stuff that is not
>> running
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> my primary machine at the moment.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> IF it turns out GoboLinux is exactly what I'm looking at, then it
>> >> >> >> means I will be probably modifying it. I think I'd like to work
>> on
>> >> >> >> GoboLinux at times, to make it more friendly to people such as
>> >> >> >> artists
>> >> >> >> and elderly people. This would mainly mean improvements to the
>> >> >> >> Manager, some way to handle always running services in
>> user-friendly
>> >> >> >> manner (RunIt perhaps?), changes into graphics environment, to
>> make
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> easier to manage the system.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Heh.. it feels that so little few small things are wrong once
>> every
>> >> >> >> program is located where they actually SHOULD be. I might turn
>> out
>> >> >> >> with my own distro in the process.
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