Re: How about a fork of Jessie without systemd?

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 02:14:22AM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 04:38:49PM -0700, Ed Carp wrote:
> > I'm particularly annoyed by systemd, period. Nothing wrong with the
> > way things were
> 
> You are kidding, right?  Have you ever worked at that level?  Tried to
> manage processes and services in a sane manner?  

Yes and systemd sucks

> I've been dealing with
> that problem since my first paid Linux job in 2000, and it didn't get
> finally resolved until systemd.  There were lots of things wrong with
> how things "were" before, perhaps you never worked down there?
> 
> > - systemd goes completely against the Unix idea of one
> > small utility doing one thing well, and it just comes across as change
> > for the sake of change as a monument to someone's ego.
> 
> Really, you want to drag this old disputed argument out again?  Tell me
> how your old init system was a "do one thing well" program?
> 
> And as far as ego goes, do you not take pride in the work you do?
> systemd was written by people working for _all_ distros, it was not the
> work of just one person at all, to act otherwise is a huge disservice to
> those other developers.
> 
> Just one word of advice, almost _everyone_ who has worked on a distro at
> that level of the "plumbing" has helped out with systemd as it is
> somehow obvious to them that this is a much better solution than what
> they previously had.  I guess you don't trust those developers, which is
> fine, but you should seriously consider just why you feel that way.
> 
> > No matter - hooray for Rick! Thank you! I hope I don't have to worry
> > about this when Linux Mint goes systemd in the next release
> > (reportedly)...
> 
> Makes sense, why would you want to try to keep a fork from your "parent"
> distro?  Companies that actually funded their developers are even
> smarter than that.
> 
> Remember back when Linux users were the ones pushing the boundries of
> things, solving real problems and being happy to handle major changes in
> the quest to making something better?  I sure do.  The real question is
> why have the others on this list, who have been complaining about a
> system library being replaced that they didn't have anything to do with,
> have forgotten about why they started using Linux in the first place.
> 
> I mean, if you like openrc so much, why not just move back to solaris,
> there is an "open" version floating around somewhere that desperately
> needs users and developers...
> 
> Or just use Gentoo or slackware if you don't like change and wish to
> remain in the 1990's.
> 
> </get off my lawn>
> 
> greg k-h
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