Re: Re: Boycott Systemd

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Duncan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Frank Peters posted on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:58:22 -0400 as excerpted:
>
> > This method may seem strange and even regressive and stubborn to many
> > Linux users.  All I can say in response is that one has to be a little
> > bit fanatical to even use Linux,
>
> ... let alone Gentoo,...
>
> > and I am probably more than just a little bit fanatical.
>
> =:^)
>
> While few gentooers take it to the level you have, I expect most
> understand the concept.  After all, they /are/ gentooers. =:^)
>
> FWIW, I was doing something similar with my own suspend/hibernate script
> for awhile.  I stopped once I switched to systemd as its related
> functionality works well enough, and does what I want and need without
> the whole policykit, etc, circus, which I do *NOT* want or need.
>
> There's a certain "direct drive", "close to the metal" confidence you get
> from mastering the concepts well enough to do it yourself like that.  Any
> gentooer should appreciate the concept to some extent, but those that
> have actually gone beyond gentoo and bare-scripted at that level I think
> appreciate even more both the concept, and how powerful and even
> addicting it can be.  For those who have done it, there's a definite loss
> in doing it any other way.  For some people at some point, that loss is
> worth it to avoid the additional maintenance and responsibility that
> comes with it, while for others there is and can be no acceptable
> replacement for that direct control.
>

Oh, come now.  Gentoo is for the folks who want it all simple and easy,
packaged pretty and tied with a bow.

Real Linux techies only use Linux from Scratch
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

;)



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> FWIW, as I said I've accepted that loss in letting systemd handle the
> suspend and hibernate details for me now, but OTOH, while I can
> appreciate those who for instance leave gentoo for arch, assuming gentoo
> is still viable at the time, I have a hard time envisioning me running
> anything else even 20-30 years from now when chances are I'll be in a
> retirement home.  I /am/ nearing 50 after all, and 30 years from now
> would put me at 77, at which point there is definitely a fair chance I'll
> be in a retirement home, if I'm even around any longer...  And yes, I
> think there's a fair chance I'll still be running gentoo, even then. =:^)
>
> IOW, I think it's fair to say that most/all gentooers are at least a bit
> fanatical in that way, enough to appreciate and respect your position.
> Certainly I do. =:^)
>
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> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
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