Re: multilib, slot conflicts, and the sun going down

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Quite the hassle. I would suggest maybe you try Trinity Desktop as a
replacement. I haven't tried it in a while but it generally was ok at a
functional KDE3 desktop that is compatible with modern system-related
libraries. They usually ported a larger number of old KDE 3 apps on
request, though I'm not sure how it stands right now.

For lovers of the old code base, there was a guy who added patches for
udiks and upower to the old code and fixed GCC compile bugs, though I have
stopped following new developments a good while back. My understanding is
that if you mostly only wanted old stuff, it was your best option and it
was being built for OpenSUSE distros for people that wanted to try it out
without going all the way to TDE packages.

Tiago

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Brent Busby <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tiago Marques <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > Besides that, were you actually able to use the desktop? A good while
> > back I was having issues with newer GCCs, HAL, consolekit and other
> > parts of the desktop's subsystem.
> >
> > My experience is ABI_X86 has unfortunately introduced conflicts
> > everywhere, not just on this overlay.
>
> Up until now, I've been able to find ways around everything.  There was
> always some patch to get around most (but not all) GCC issues.  I got
> around HAL by not using it, and using the KDE 4 version of programs like
> K3B that cared about HAL.  I got around consolekit by just making my
> launch of KDE include 'exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax
> --exit-with-session startkde', which registers the session.  (Later I
> just globally got rid of consolekit, since it's pretty annoying even
> outside of KDE, as is policykit, and all those kits.)
>
> But I've got no solution for this.  It doesn't appear to be all
> multilib's fault though.  It looks like all packages that used to be
> under kde-base/ in main Portage are now under kde-apps/, and this
> expectation has carried across into the overlay somehow.  Since the
> overlay is not updated for this, it's causing most of KDE 3 to appear to
> be missing to Portage...or at least that's how it looks so far.
>
> I may just give it up.  I mostly wanted KDE 3 to continue for two
> things, now no longer necessary for me:
>
> - I had it configured to look like CDE.  Yes I know lots of people think
>   CDE is ugly, but I like it, and KDE 4 is incapable of getting that
>   look quite to the degree KDE 3 could.  It doesn't matter so much now
>   that real OpenGroup CDE has been open-sourced and is being vigorously
>   supported by community people who care about it.  You can now make
>   your Linux workstation look like HP-UX til the end of time if you
>   want.
>
> - I liked the HTML editor Quanta, which is a QT3 only program.  Lately
>   though, I've been becoming more and more of an Emacs person.  (It's
>   got me.  GNU Emacs happens to people when they least expect it.)  As
>   part of that growing disease, I've become attached to Emacs' various
>   modes and assistants for HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc., so I don't
>   really need Quanta so much anymore either.
>
> Oh well...farewell KDE 3.
>
> --
> + Brent A. Busby         + "We've all heard that a million monkeys
> + Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +  banging on a million typewriters will
> + University of Chicago  +  eventually reproduce the entire works of
> + James Franck Institute +  Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to the Internet,
> + Materials Research Ctr +  we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuche=
t ms,sans-serif">Quite the hassle. I would suggest maybe you try Trinity De=
sktop as a replacement. I haven&#39;t tried it in a while but it generally =
was ok at a functional KDE3 desktop that is compatible with modern system-r=
elated libraries. They usually ported a larger number of old KDE 3 apps on =
request, though I&#39;m not sure how it stands right now.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">=
For lovers of the old code base, there was a guy who added patches for udik=
s and upower to the old code and fixed GCC compile bugs, though I have stop=
ped following new developments a good while back. My understanding is that =
if you mostly only wanted old stuff, it was your best option and it was bei=
ng built for OpenSUSE distros for people that wanted to try it out without =
going all the way to TDE packages.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Tiago</div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1=
:20 AM, Brent Busby <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:brent@keycorner=
.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">Tiago Marques &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tiagomnm@gmail=
.com">[email protected]</a>&gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Besides that, were you actually able to use the desktop? A good while<=
br>
&gt; back I was having issues with newer GCCs, HAL, consolekit and other<br=
>
&gt; parts of the desktop&#39;s subsystem.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My experience is ABI_X86 has unfortunately introduced conflicts<br>
&gt; everywhere, not just on this overlay.<br>
<br>
Up until now, I&#39;ve been able to find ways around everything.=C2=A0 Ther=
e was<br>
always some patch to get around most (but not all) GCC issues.=C2=A0 I got<=
br>
around HAL by not using it, and using the KDE 4 version of programs like<br=
>
K3B that cared about HAL.=C2=A0 I got around consolekit by just making my<b=
r>
launch of KDE include &#39;exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax<b=
r>
--exit-with-session startkde&#39;, which registers the session.=C2=A0 (Late=
r I<br>
just globally got rid of consolekit, since it&#39;s pretty annoying even<br=
>
outside of KDE, as is policykit, and all those kits.)<br>
<br>
But I&#39;ve got no solution for this.=C2=A0 It doesn&#39;t appear to be al=
l<br>
multilib&#39;s fault though.=C2=A0 It looks like all packages that used to =
be<br>
under kde-base/ in main Portage are now under kde-apps/, and this<br>
expectation has carried across into the overlay somehow.=C2=A0 Since the<br=
>
overlay is not updated for this, it&#39;s causing most of KDE 3 to appear t=
o<br>
be missing to Portage...or at least that&#39;s how it looks so far.<br>
<br>
I may just give it up.=C2=A0 I mostly wanted KDE 3 to continue for two<br>
things, now no longer necessary for me:<br>
<br>
- I had it configured to look like CDE.=C2=A0 Yes I know lots of people thi=
nk<br>
=C2=A0 CDE is ugly, but I like it, and KDE 4 is incapable of getting that<b=
r>
=C2=A0 look quite to the degree KDE 3 could.=C2=A0 It doesn&#39;t matter so=
 much now<br>
=C2=A0 that real OpenGroup CDE has been open-sourced and is being vigorousl=
y<br>
=C2=A0 supported by community people who care about it.=C2=A0 You can now m=
ake<br>
=C2=A0 your Linux workstation look like HP-UX til the end of time if you<br=
>
=C2=A0 want.<br>
<br>
- I liked the HTML editor Quanta, which is a QT3 only program.=C2=A0 Lately=
<br>
=C2=A0 though, I&#39;ve been becoming more and more of an Emacs person.=C2=
=A0 (It&#39;s<br>
=C2=A0 got me.=C2=A0 GNU Emacs happens to people when they least expect it.=
)=C2=A0 As<br>
=C2=A0 part of that growing disease, I&#39;ve become attached to Emacs&#39;=
 various<br>
=C2=A0 modes and assistants for HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc., so I don&#39;t=
<br>
=C2=A0 really need Quanta so much anymore either.<br>
<br>
Oh well...farewell KDE 3.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
+ Brent A. Busby=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ &quot;We&#39;ve all hea=
rd that a million monkeys<br>
+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin +=C2=A0 banging on a million typewriters will<br>
+ University of Chicago=C2=A0 +=C2=A0 eventually reproduce the entire works=
 of<br>
+ James Franck Institute +=C2=A0 Shakespeare.=C2=A0 Now, thanks to the Inte=
rnet,<br>
+ Materials Research Ctr +=C2=A0 we know this is not true.&quot; -Robert Wi=
lensky<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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