Re: On deprecated packages and notifying users

Viorel Munteanu <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.linux.gentoo.devel
Message-ID <[email protected]> 
La 20.05.2026 05:21, Ionen Wolkens a scris:
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 02:42:53AM +0100, Sam James wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, what this *isn't* about: last-riting, things which we all agree
>> need to be removed, and aren't suitable for anybody to use ever.
>>
>> Sometimes we have packages that most people shouldn't be using anymore,
>> but they were commonplace once:
>> * net-misc/dhcp (use kea, but kea isn't suitable for everybody)
>> * net-misc/ntp (use another time sync daemon)
>> * sys-kernel/genkernel (on life support)
>> * sys-apps/haveged (largely obsolete w/ modern kernels, see hanno's
>> remarks [0])
>>
>> I'm sure there's more but these are the examples that came to mind.
>>
>> We often update the wiki page, inform users of this on IRC/forums/MLs,
>> and may refer to it on bug reports, but it's very easy for people to
>> miss such developments I'd say from experience with breaking the news.
>>
>> Should we have some way to inform users of this?
>>
>> Some options:
>> * Last-riting these would be excessive, at least for some cases (ntp is
>>    debatable).
>>    
>> * ewarn in pkg_postinst with some revbump to propagate that. I fear this
>>    may be seen as antagonistic or rude to upstream developers.
>>    
>> * package.deprecated is currently used for developer-facing issues,
>>    where one should inform upstream about a rotting dependency or
>>    similar. Too noisy for users right now.
>>
>> * Extended p.mask with no removal date.
> 
> One downside with that one is that last one is if we *do* want to
> last-rite it eventually, may come as a surprise given users that
> didn't let go will have already unmasked it and won't see a new
> last-rite mask message.
> 

We can add a news item when last riting an already masked package.  With 
Display-If-Installed it will only be visible to the (hopefully) few 
people that unmasked the package.

Regards,
Viorel
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