Gentoo Weekly Newsletter 15 August 2005
Ulrich Plate <[email protected]> Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:04:38 +0200
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Gentoo Weekly Newsletter http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/current.xml This is the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter for the week of 15 August 2005. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. Gentoo News =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Gentoo Linux 2005.1 released ---------------------------- =20 The Gentoo Release Engineering team is proud to announce the release of=20 Gentoo Linux 2005.1. This release is the second release of 2005 and is th= e=20 culmination of five months of work. Some major software changes from=20 2005.0 are GNOME 2.10, KDE 3.4.1, XFce 4.2.2, X.Org 6.8.2, and a 2.6.12=20 kernel.=20 =20 This release also gives provides two additional x86 LiveCD images, in=20 combination with the minimal and universal InstallCDs seen in previous=20 releases: a new x86 LiveCD from the Hardened project, and the new x86=20 Installer LiveCD which features the first public release of the Gentoo=20 Linux Installer, with both a GTK+ and dialog-based front-end.=20 =20 The SPARC team has switched to using hwsetup for doing device=20 auto-detection, which should give them more device compatibility and the=20 IA64 team has released a minimal LiveCD as mentioned in a previous GWN.=20 PPC and PPC64 now operate under a joint parent profile in the same fashio= n=20 as SPARC and MIPS do for their 32/64-bit equivalents and G5 support has=20 been moved completely from PPC32 to PPC64.=20 =20 The genkernel utility has also been heavily worked on and now has many ne= w=20 features such as initramfs, gensplash and dmraid support along with many=20 other enhancements and bug fixes.=20 =20 Figure 1.1: CD labels can be downloaded for each of the architectures http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050815_iso.png =20 The release is available for download from our mirrors[1] and from the=20 BitTorrent tracker[2] kindly provided by Friends of Gentoo e.V.[3].=20 Companion CD labels, color-coded to represent the different architecture,= =20 can be downloaded from a common location[4].=20 1. http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml 2. http://tracker.netdomination.org/ 3. http://www.gentoo-ev.org/ 4. http://dev.gentoo.org/~plasmaroo/gentoo-cdcovers/2005.1/ =20 First Gentoo developer conference webcast ----------------------------------------- =20 Having just about packed up the Gentoo booth at last week's Linux World=20 Expo in San Francisco, the mostly US-based developers who had represented= =20 Gentoo at the show stayed on for another day, to participate in the first= =20 fully-fledged US Gentoo developer conference, held at the premises of=20 Global Netoptex, Inc. (GNi)[5]. Owing its success to the tireless work of= =20 organizer Corey Shields[6], the event brought together Gentoo Foundation=20 trustees, developers and guests. Special thanks to Indiana University for= =20 their streaming services that made it possible for dozens of fellow=20 developers at large to participate in the conference! For those who=20 followed the presentations via the webcast, a special IRC channel=20 #gentoo-devconference was set aside on irc.freenode.net to allow for=20 interaction: developers abroad were able to ask questions and voice their= =20 opinions almost in real-time during the entire all-day event.=20 5. http://www.netoptex.com/ 6. [email protected] =20 Presentations held are listed at the event's website[7], the slides are=20 going to be made available soon. The webcast has also been recorded and=20 will be put up for download, too. Watch this space.=20 7. http://devconference.gentoo.org =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 2. Future zone =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Modular X --------- =20 You may be wondering, why in the world will one nice, easy xorg-x11=20 package turn into almost 300 separate ones? And you'd certainly be=20 justified in this. It's not something Gentoo is doing independently of=20 upstream X.Org[8]; they're splitting up all the packages into separate=20 releases, and we're just following along.=20 8. http://www.x.org/ =20 The reasoning behind the split and changing build system is at least=20 threefold:=20 =20 * X is too difficult to get into for new devs, so thus the move to=20 autotools, a system more people are comfortable with if not happy with. =20 * Along with that move, splitting out the source is possible with=20 autotools, and this also makes it more developer-friendly. =20 * Things have been unnecessarily tied together in the past, and this has= =20 made getting bugfixes out often impossible. If they were able to get out=20 fixes, it required rebuilding all of XOrg. For example, a bug in the ati=20 driver would either need to wait 6 months until the next release, or you'= d=20 have to rebuild your fonts to get it, for absolutely no reason. =20 =20 For Gentoo users, the change should be seamless. All you'll have to do is= =20 `emerge xorg-x11` and you'll get all the required packages, although some= =20 rarely used programs such as xedit or xmh may not be a part of it.=20 =20 So far, most of the packages are in the tree, but not the meta-ebuilds=20 necessary for the seamless transition. Over the next month, expect to see= =20 the modular X experience transform from arduous to exciting.=20 =20 The release of X11R7.0 isn't expected until sometime in September, but th= e=20 "zeroth" release candidate already came out a couple of weeks ago. If you= =20 want to become an early adopter of modular X, be prepared to do a bit of=20 work and file upstream bugs. Here's a guide[9] on using what Gentoo has i= n=20 the tree for modular X. Over time, it will become much easier to migrate=20 than it is now. If you have any questions, please contact Donnie=20 Berkholz[10].=20 9.=20 http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/migrating_to_modular_x_howto.tx= t 10. [email protected] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3. Heard in the community =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 gentoo-dev ---------- =20 imlate on x86 =20 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte[11] used the "imlate" script which is used to find pac= kages=20 that have never versions to see how up-to-date x86 is compared to other=20 architectures. He writes: "The results are surprising, 214 packages are=20 more recent on non-x86 architectures. But its pretty hard to know if its=20 because they have arch specific patches or because the maintainer's arch=20 is not x86..."=20 11. [email protected] =20 * imlate on x86 [12]=20 12. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30369 =20 do we need a "man" USEflag? =20 Since almost everything in Gentoo can be customized, why don't we have a=20 "man" useflag that prevents that man-pages get installed? Of course there= =20 is FEATURES=3D"noman", but it doesn't solve all (potential) problems.=20 =20 * do we need a "man" useflag? [13]=20 13. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30264 =20 gcc-config 2.0 development =20 Jeremy Huddleston[14] offers some insight into the development of=20 gcc-config 2.0, a rewrite of gcc-config that should adress some of the=20 shortcomings of the gcc-config 1.3 branch=20 14. [email protected] =20 * gcc-config 2.0 [15]=20 15. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/30235 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 4. Gentoo International =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 UK: AFFS conference in London ----------------------------- =20 Gentoo in the UK was recently asked to have a voice at the Association=20 For Free Software's[16] annual general meeting. Gentoo developers Daniel=20 Drake[17], Tim Yamin[18], Stuart Herbert[19] and Rob Holland[20] went=20 along accompanied by George Prowse[21] from the Gentoo Forums. Tim Yamin=20 gave a 45 minute introduction to Gentoo and its benefits.=20 16. http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html 17. [email protected] 18. [email protected] 19. [email protected] 20. [email protected] 21. [email protected] =20 Figure 4.1: Left to right: Rob Holland, Stuart Herbert, Daniel Drake and=20 Tim Yamin http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050815_affs.jpg =20 Organised by the association, the meeting was also used to showcase=20 potholes and problems with the up-and-coming software patents problems in= =20 the European Parliament; at the same time allowing Linux distributions to= =20 talk with FOSS advocates. The conference made it possible for the Gentoo=20 developers in the UK to meet with not only some of their userbase but als= o=20 some of their equivalent developers at Debian. The day was considered a=20 success after Tim's speech made the Gentoo stall very busy with intereste= d=20 people and we learned that a few of our users had migrated from Debian.=20 =20 Germany: Report from the first GentooSummerCamp ----------------------------------------------- =20 Thanks to the organisation of German Forums moderator Uwe H=C3=B6lzel=20 (slick[22]), from Friday until Sunday, 12 to 14 August 2005, several=20 Gentoo users and developers packed their tents and made a trip into=20 Germany's hinterland region called "Westerwald". On a meadow at the=20 camping site and inn =E2=80=9DGasthof Hahnhof=E2=80=9C the first attendee= s set up their=20 tents on Friday afternoon. Some more arrived during the evening as they=20 had to ride up to 800 km, like Stefan Walkner (Hephaistos[23]) from=20 Salzburg who came all the way from Austria, or Hilefoks[24] who lives on=20 Germany's North Sea coast. 22. http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=3Dviewprofile&u=3D18822 23. http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=3Dviewprofile&u=3D51589 24. http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=3Dviewprofile&u=3D13233 =20 Figure 4.1: The campground =E2=80=9DGasthof Hahnhof=E2=80=9C and the camp= fire http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050815_camp-tents+fire.jpg =20 After a long evening and short night, the Saturday became a very beautifu= l=20 day. The sun was shining the whole day and quite everybody got a nice=20 sunburn. At the afternoon somebody pushed his bicycle to the campground=E2= =80=A6=20 It turned out that Thorsten Zantis (psyqil[25]) did the 100km-trip with=20 his bike and during the very last kilometre a tire burst! Anyways, we had= =20 enough drinks available, like every kind of beer from a good Austrian=20 =E2=80=99Helles=E2=80=98, via some Pils, Alt and K=C3=B6lsch up to a dry = beer from the coast.=20 And nobody had to stay hungry, as we had enough meat for the barbecue and= =20 salads for everyone. 25. http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=3Dviewprofile&u=3D21281 =20 A campfire in the evening held us warm during the whole night, and even=20 when it started to rain on early Sunday morning, some of us still sat at=20 the campfire. After a short breakfast in the rain we removed our wet tent= s. =20 Figure 4.2: (left to right) oma, HaPhi, tomyum, Pylon, dertobi123,=20 Hilefoks, Danny, Hephaistos, psyqil, slick, inte http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050815_camp-group.jpg =20 It's noteworthy that we did not need any computers, and still had enough=20 topics to talk about, even besides Gentoo! It was a pleasure to meet a=20 couple of people you know only from the forums or IRC. And there are=20 fledgling plans for another camp next year on the North Sea coast already. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 5. Gentoo in the press =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Ars Technica (8 August 2005) ---------------------------- =20 A review of a 64-bit laptop computer powered by Gentoo Linux was publishe= d=20 in Ars Technica[26] last Monday. The "LinuxCertified" model[27] sports an= =20 AMD64 processor and comes preloaded with Gentoo, Fedora or SuSE Linux.=20 26. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/lc2464.ars 27. http://linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2464.html =20 Harvard Business School Working Knowledge (1 August 2005) --------------------------------------------------------- =20 "How Toyota and Linux Keep Collaboration Simple"[28] is the title of an=20 article originally printed in the Harvard Business Review, recounting the= =20 events when Gentoo developer Andrea Barisani[29] - or more specifically=20 his Trieste University's Gentoo Linux server - was under attack a couple=20 of years ago. Authors Philip Evans and Bob Wolf take the ensuing bug fix=20 activities that rapidly span the globe as an example for the ways of the=20 Linux world, and put them into perspective of the Toyota production=20 system, finding lots of similarities: "Widespread, granular communication= .=20 In both the Linux and Toyota communities, information about problems and=20 solutions is shared widely, frequently, and in small increments." 28. http://workingknowledge.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=3D4928&t=3Dtechnology 29. [email protected] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D 6. Moves, adds, and changes =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D =20 Moves ----- =20 The following developers recently left the Gentoo team:=20 =20 * None this week=20 =20 Adds ---- =20 The following developers recently joined the Gentoo Linux team:=20 =20 * Luis Medinas (MetalGOD) - Printing herd and AMD64=20 =20 Changes ------- =20 The following developers recently changed roles within the Gentoo Linux=20 project: =20 * Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez (BaSS) - stepped down from his post as=20 Spanish lead translator=20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 7. Gentoo Security =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 No security announcements this week ----------------------------------- =20 No GLSAs have been issued since publication of the last GWN. Check back=20 next week. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 8. Bugzilla =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Summary ------- =20 * Statistics=20 * Closed bug ranking=20 * New bug rankings=20 =20 Statistics ---------- =20 The Gentoo community uses Bugzilla (bugs.gentoo.org[30]) to record and=20 track bugs, notifications, suggestions and other interactions with the=20 development team. Between 07 August 2005 and 14 August 2005, activity on=20 the site has resulted in:=20 30. http://bugs.gentoo.org =20 * 832 new bugs during this period=20 * 462 bugs closed or resolved during this period=20 * 34 previously closed bugs were reopened this period=20 =20 Of the 8117 currently open bugs: 108 are labeled 'blocker', 196 are=20 labeled 'critical', and 538 are labeled 'major'.=20 =20 Closed bug rankings ------------------- =20 The developers and teams who have closed the most bugs during this period= =20 are:=20 =20 * AMD64 Porting Team[31], with 94 closed bugs[32] =20 * Vim Maintainers[33], with 16 closed bugs[34] =20 * Gentoo Science Related Packages[35], with 14 closed bugs[36] =20 * Perl Devs @ Gentoo[37], with 12 closed bugs[38] =20 * Xavier Neys[39], with 12 closed bugs[40] =20 * Gentoo's Team for Core System packages[41], with 12 closed bugs[42] =20 * Gentoo Sound Team[43], with 9 closed bugs[44] =20 * Greg Kroah-Hartman[45], with 9 closed bugs[46] =20 31. [email protected] 32.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 33. [email protected] 34.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 35. [email protected] 36.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 37. [email protected] 38.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 39. [email protected] 40.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 41. [email protected] 42.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 43. [email protected] 44.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] 45. [email protected] 46.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DRESOLVED&bug_status=3DCLO= SED&chfield=3Dbug_status&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chfieldto=3D2005-08-14&= resolution=3DFIXED&[email protected] =20 New bug rankings ---------------- =20 The developers and teams who have been assigned the most new bugs during=20 this period are:=20 =20 * Default Assignee for New Packages[47], with 98 new bugs[48] =20 * Default Assignee for Orphaned Packages[49], with 35 new bugs[50] =20 * AMD64 Porting Team[51], with 12 new bugs[52] =20 * Python Gentoo Team[53], with 11 new bugs[54] =20 * Gentoo Linux Gnome Desktop Team[55], with 10 new bugs[56] =20 * Gentoo Sound Team[57], with 8 new bugs[58] =20 * Gentoo Kernel Bug Wranglers and Kernel Maintainers[59], with 8 new=20 bugs[60] =20 * Gentoo Science Related Packages[61], with 7 new bugs[62] =20 47. [email protected] 48.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 49. [email protected] 50.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 51. [email protected] 52.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 53. [email protected] 54.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 55. [email protected] 56.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 57. [email protected] 58.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 59. [email protected] 60.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] 61. [email protected] 62.=20 http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=3DNEW&bug_status=3DASSIGNED= &bug_status=3DREOPENED&chfield=3Dassigned_to&chfieldfrom=3D2005-08-07&chf= ieldto=3D2005-08-14&[email protected] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 9. 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