Re: iDRAC9 : Unable to set manual fan response after iDrac v3.34.34.34

Unfortunately, yes, they are all running the latest firmwares.

If I were to replace my H730P with an LSI HBA of the same gen (12G), would 
that inhibit the max-fan behaviour? It would still be the same drives 
(LD's and PD's) but behind a 3rd Party PCI-E and then I would be 
able to disable LFMMode on that one, right?

Regards,

Vincent

On Fri, 17 Jan 2020, [email protected] wrote:

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> The TSR on file shows the same three drives installed as your PERC CLI output.
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> 0              Online   Samsung              SSD 860                2 TB                      
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> 1              Online   Samsung              SSD 860                2 TB                      
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> 4              Online   Western Digital WD80EFZX 68U 8 TB
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> Have you looked to see if Western Digital and Samsung have any firmware updates for the disks already?
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> Subject: RE: [Linux-PowerEdge] iDRAC9 : Unable to set manual fan response after iDrac v3.34.34.34
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> Chris,
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> Thank you for your openness on this list. It's great to feel listened to.
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> Can we tell if that TSR was with the Samsung 850 (no temp sensor) or with the Samsung 860? The latter does in fact have a temp sensor:
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> # megaclisas-status
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> [....]
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> -- Disk information --
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> -- ID   | Type | Drive Model                                      | Size
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> | Status          | Speed    | Temp | Slot ID  | LSI ID
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> c0u0p0  | SSD  | S3YUNB0KC09340D Samsung SSD 860 EVO 2TB RVT03B6Q | 1.818 TB | Online, Spun Up | 6.0Gb/s  | 21C  | [32:0]   | 0
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> c0u1p0  | HDD  | R6GP40KY WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 83.H0A83           | 7.276 TB | Online, Spun Up | 6.0Gb/s  | 29C  | [32:4]   | 4
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> c0u2p0  | SSD  | S3YUNB0KC09173D Samsung SSD 860 EVO 2TB RVT03B6Q | 1.818 TB | Online, Spun Up | 6.0Gb/s  | 21C  | [32:1]   | 1
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>                                                                                                              ^^^^=====
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> Is it possible that your output is from an old TSR of mine? I wonder if the H730P properly detects the temperature on the 860 even though the megaraid_sas driver does detect it
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> Vincent
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> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, [email protected] wrote:
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> > Dell Customer Communication - Confidential
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> > Unfortunately, I agree with your assessment. I pulled the following content from the provided TSR the last time I was engaged on your issue. I had to go back and look again.
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> > The disks are driving an open loop response (not LFM) that cannot be adjusted. This is a baseline fan speed response for a no-drive-temp config per design.  Agree there's
> nothing else we can do here to mask this behavior.
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> > From the TSR:
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > ----------
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> > OPEN LOOP CONTROL
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> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > ALG_TYPE   ID#  NAME                            FZ1     FZ2     |  PSU1    PSU2
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> > OL_TYPE1   2    Baseline_Amb_Any                16.90   0.00    |  0.00    0.00
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> > OL_TYPE1   10   HDD_No_Sensor_OL_3_5            41.75   0.00    |  0.00    0.00  << thermal table fan response due to no HDD temp
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> > OL_TYPE1   16   SSD_No_Sensor_OL_2_5            0.00    0.00    |  0.00    0.00
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> > OL_TYPE1   27   FAC_Restriction_Single Fan      0.00    0.00    |  0.00    0.00
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> > OL_TYPE1   28   FAC_Restriction_NonRDNPSU       0.00    0.00    |  0.00    0.00
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> > OL_OTHER   5    OPEN_LOOP_BASELINE              62.80   0.00    |  0.00    0.00
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> > Subject: RE: [Linux-PowerEdge] iDRAC9 : Unable to set manual fan
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> > response after iDrac v3.34.34.34
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> > Here's what happens on an H730P (which has 3rd party SSDs behind it which causes high-rpm) on which I want to disable LFMMode:
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> > /admin1-> racadm set system.PCIeSlotLFM.2.LFMMode 1
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> > ERROR: PCI3022: Unable to adjust the Airflow Linear Flow per Minute (LFM) settings of the PCIe slot
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> >        because the LFM settings can be adjusted only for installed cards that are identified as third party cards.
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> > I'm still on 3.30.30.30
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> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020, [email protected] wrote:
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> >> Dell Customer Communication - Confidential
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> >> Vincent,
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> >> You are correct. The ipmi raw command that allows a user to bypass the Dell EMC multi-vector cooling algorithm was exposed in iDRAC9 releases prior to iDRAC9 3.43.34.34
> release. This command was not intended for public consumption on iDRAC9 and 14G PowerEdge servers. When it was detected that this command was exposed on Arev iDRAC firmware,
> measures were taken to revoke that raw ipmi command starting in iDRAC9 3.34.34.34.
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> >> 
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> >> If you are experiencing high PWM of the internal fan of your T440 due to presence of third-party cards, there are measures that you can take. The Dell EMC fan algorithm can
> be disabled on a slot when the PCIe slot is occupied by a third party card. You can leverage the built-in racadm utility through an SSH session to the iDRAC to make these
> changes.
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> >> To confirm that the iDRAC detects the add-in card as a third-party card, leverage the system.PCIeSlotLFM.x.3rdPartyCard attribute. You will need to modify "x" with the
> numerical value of your PCIe slot.
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> >> racadm>>racadm get system.PCIeSlotLFM.3.3rdPartyCard
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> >> [Key=system.Embedded.1#PCIeSlotLFM.3]
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> >> 3rdPartyCard=Yes
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> >> racadm>>
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> >> If the value for this slot = yes, then you can disable the Dell EMC cooling algorithm for that slot. You will need to modify the sytem.PCIeSlotLFM.x.LFMMode value (x = slot
> numerical value).
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> >> 
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> >> racadm>>racadm set system.PCIeSlotLFM.3.LFMMode 1
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> >> [Key=system.Embedded.1#PCIeSlotLFM.3]
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> >> Object value modified successfully
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> >> racadm>>racadm get system.PCIeSlotLFM.3.LFMMode
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> >> [Key=system.Embedded.1#PCIeSlotLFM.3]
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> >> LFMMode=Disabled
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> >> racadm>>
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> >> Additional details on the Dell EMC multi-vector cooling with Dell EMC
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> >> PowerEdge servers can be found in this whitepaper:
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> >> https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/common/poweredge_pcie_cooling.pdf
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> >> 
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> >> Additional details on racadm attribute registry can be found in the current Attribute Registry Guide:
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> >> https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/idrac9-lifecycle-controller-v4x-serie
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> >> _reference-guide_en-us.pdf
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> >> Additional iDRAC9 whitepapers can be found here:
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> >> https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln311300/support-for-i
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> >> n tegrated-dell-remote-access-controller-9-idrac9?lang=en
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> >> Regards,
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> >> Chris Sumers
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> >> + 1 512 728 4685 [email protected] Dell Technologies 200 Dell
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> >> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 PM
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> >> To: linux-poweredge-Lists
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> >> Subject: [Linux-PowerEdge] iDRAC9 : Unable to set manual fan response
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> >> after iDrac v3.34.34.34
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> >> Hi everyone,
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> >> 
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> >> Just FYI, on 14th Gen PowerEdge, with iDrac v3.34.34.34 and above,
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> >> Dell Engineering knowingly removed the possibilty to control fan
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> >> speed beyond what the iDRAC considers 'the right thing to do' for
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> >> your machine (as of
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> >> 3.34.34.34 and above, you no longer have a say in the matter).
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> >> 
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> >> Please allow me to explain by giving an example:
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> >> 
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> >> I own a nice T440 with dual 4110 Xeon silver and with mostly
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> >> low-power
> 
> >> components:
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> >> - 384Gb RAM in 32Gb LRDIMM sticks.
> 
> >> - PERC H730P with 2 * 2Tb Samsung 860, 1* 8Tb WD Red
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> >> - NVidia 1660 GTX Ti
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> >> - a quad-1G NIC
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> >> - a NVMe drive on a Supermicro PCI-E adapter.
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> >> - The box is running RHEL7 with a moderately conservative power profile.
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> >> 
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> >> This box is somewhat low-power (110-154W under light load and 250W under heavy).
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> >> I usually force the system fan to 1080rpm:
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> >> # /usr/bin/ipmitool raw 0x30 0x30 0x01 0x00 # /usr/bin/ipmitool raw
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> >> 0x30 0x30 0x02 0xff 0x0b
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> >> 
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> >> ..unless the cpu temperatures go above 65C at which case the systems goes back to 'auto' on its own (thanks to a daemon):
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> >> # /usr/bin/ipmitool raw 0x30 0x30 0x01 0x01
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> >> 
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> >> This works well and the cpus are usually between 32C and 35C on light
> 
> >> load. I've never had any problem on either of my T440, T430 or T630
> 
> >> doing this. The script is here: [1]
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> >> 
> 
> >> ..but because I'm using 3rd party components, the iDRAC -thinks- it -must- set the fan to the highest rpms possible to cool my system. When left to 'auto', the fan goes to
> 3700-4300rpm and I feel like I'm standing on the bridge of an aircraft carrier.
> 
> >> 
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> >> Dell support has been unable to help with my '3rd party components' to take the fans down (we've tried every BIOS setting).
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> >> 
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> >> With 3.34.34.34 and above, the 'manual' fan speed is ignored and
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> >> reports
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> >> this:
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> >> # /usr/bin/ipmitool -I open raw 0x30 0x30 0x01 0x00 Unable to send
> 
> >> RAW command (channel=0x0 netfn=0x30 lun=0x0 cmd=0x30 rsp=0xd4):
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> >> Insufficient privilege level
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> >> 
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> >> # /usr/bin/ipmitool -I open raw 0x30 0x30 0x02 0xff 0x0b Unable to
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> >> send RAW command (channel=0x0 netfn=0x30 lun=0x0 cmd=0x30 rsp=0xd4):
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> >> Insufficient privilege level
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> >> 
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> >> When contacted, an escalation manager at Dell suggested that I
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> >> stopped using 3rd party components and that I should buy Workstations instead.
> 
> >> He also confirmed that the removal of the 'ipmitool' 'feature' in
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> >> iDRAC
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> >> 3.34.34.34 was intentionnal because they 'had had many escalations because of this'.
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> >> 
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> >> Other users on the Dell Community forums have reported similar issues
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> >> with
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> >> T340 and T640 systems.
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> >> 
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> >> Consequently, I will probably be staying on 3.30.30.30 (the last
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> >> working
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> >> version) for as long as I can.
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> >> 
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> >> Here is more information:
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> >> [1], script (adjust for your machines):
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> >> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ElCoyote27/krynn-tools/master/dellf
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> >> a
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> >> nctl
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> >> 
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> >> [2]: discussions:
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> >> https://www.dell.com/community/Systems-Management-General/iDRAC9-Unab
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> >> l
> 
> >> e-to-set-manual-fan-response-after-iDrac-v3-34-34-34/m-p/7339941
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> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/d0422n/to_anyone_considerin
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> >> g
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> >> _or_using_dell_14th_gen_for
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> >> 
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> >> I used to be a big fan of Dell systems but this T440 will probably be my last.
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> >> 
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> >> I hope this helps others.
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> >> Regards,
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> >> Vincent (Working but not speaking for RedHat/IBM)
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