Re: Lenovo x390 will not poweroff ... Debian yes

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Keith,

Thanks for the update. I tested Debian 12, Fedora 41 and recently live-usb
for 24.04.X and 25.04 and the same results. I did narrow the issue to the
two different Intel Controllers plus kernels. In the past there would be a
selection of kernels to select and I do not see this option available after
a complete boot up. I am presently replying to your message on the X390.
But what is surprising the testing was done on Lenovo x470, with Ubuntu
22.04.5 Pro installed and there is no issue with a complete power off. I
was not able to submit a bug report to launchpad because the gpg key has
yet to be  accepted even with the key being submitted to an Ubuntu Server.
I am an early adopter of Linux and this is the worst I have witnessed. I am
going to submit a ticket to Intel and update later.

Thanks,

Myles

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 4:54=E2=80=AFAM Keith Lofstrom <[email protected]> w=
rote:

>
> On Sat, Apr 05, 2025 at 11:47:49PM +0200, tomtom--- via Linux-Thinkpad
> wrote:
> > I don't know what is the origin of this error, all I can say is that I
> can really recommend anybody, especially with Thinkpads that are a bit
> older, to use either Debian or Linux Mint Debian Edition.  I have used
> either of the two on various Thinkpads over many years and hardly
> experienced any Probems. I totally abandoned Ubuntu ...
> > Greetings from Vienna,Tom
>
> I agree with Tom - I'm an old fart and prefer simple/clean.
>
> I transitioned out of unsupported Redhat-based distros way too
> late, and wasted almost a year attempting to recreate my simple
> Gnome working environments with Ubuntu - very slow, very bloated,
> especially on ancient T60/T61 laptops with my preferred 4x3
> format screens (but never enough RAM).  I read and write
> scientific papers, rarely watch videos, never play games.
>
> After that, I tried Mint ... still too much "video game"
> behavior for me, but I can understand why many like it.
>
> I then went to straight Debian (currently Bookworm 12 on many
> machines, upgraded from Bullseye 11, one test desktop running
> Trixie 13).  Still learning and porting and upgrading apps ...
> OpenVPN to Wireguard, for example.
>
> Debian is CLEAN and FAST with minimal memory footprint.  My
> T60s boot in 20 seconds, and shut down in ONE SECOND.  That is
> important; if the Thought Police appear, my machines can be
> rebooted QUICKLY to a Windows XP partition with Solitaire on
> the screen.
>
> Regards speed; all my machines have Samsung 870 EVO solid
> state drives, 1TB for the laptops, 2TB for the desktops,
> and large platter drives on the backup servers.  I have
> not tried 4TB or larger on the Thinkpads ... but I do have
> tools to rewrite the BIOS tables if necessary, and have
> done that to accommodate retrofitted 2048x1536 screens.
>
> Properly configured, I can move the Debian SSDs between
> laptops and desktops, for command line upgrade or
> recovery from backups.  I keep bootable spares, in case
> I meak two minnie mesdakes.
>
> So, yes, Debian!
>
> Keith L.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Keith,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the update. I tested =
Debian 12, Fedora 41 and recently live-usb for 24.04.X and 25.04 and the sa=
me results. I did narrow=C2=A0the issue to the two different Intel Controll=
ers plus kernels. In the past there would be a selection of kernels to sele=
ct and I do not see this option available after a complete boot up. I am pr=
esently replying to your message on the X390. But what is surprising=C2=A0t=
he testing was done on Lenovo x470, with Ubuntu 22.04.5 Pro installed and t=
here is no issue with a complete power off. I was not able to submit a bug =
report to launchpad because the gpg key has yet to be=C2=A0 accepted even w=
ith the key being submitted to an Ubuntu Server. I am an early adopter of L=
inux and this is the worst I have witnessed. I am going to submit a ticket =
to Intel and update later.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Myles</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contai=
ner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 4:54=E2=
=80=AFAM Keith Lofstrom &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">keithl@kei=
thl.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><br>
On Sat, Apr 05, 2025 at 11:47:49PM +0200, tomtom--- via Linux-Thinkpad wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know what is the origin of this error, all I can say is th=
at I can really recommend anybody, especially with Thinkpads that are a bit=
 older, to use either Debian or Linux Mint Debian Edition.=C2=A0 I have use=
d either of the two on various Thinkpads over many years and hardly experie=
nced any Probems. I totally abandoned Ubuntu ...<br>
&gt; Greetings from Vienna,Tom<br>
<br>
I agree with Tom - I&#39;m an old fart and prefer simple/clean. <br>
<br>
I transitioned out of unsupported Redhat-based distros way too<br>
late, and wasted almost a year attempting to recreate my simple<br>
Gnome working environments with Ubuntu - very slow, very bloated,<br>
especially on ancient T60/T61 laptops with my preferred 4x3<br>
format screens (but never enough RAM).=C2=A0 I read and write<br>
scientific papers, rarely watch videos, never play games.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
After that, I tried Mint ... still too much &quot;video game&quot;<br>
behavior for me, but I can understand why many like it.<br>
<br>
I then went to straight Debian (currently Bookworm 12 on many<br>
machines, upgraded from Bullseye 11, one test desktop running<br>
Trixie 13).=C2=A0 Still learning and porting and upgrading apps ...<br>
OpenVPN to Wireguard, for example. <br>
<br>
Debian is CLEAN and FAST with minimal memory footprint.=C2=A0 My<br>
T60s boot in 20 seconds, and shut down in ONE SECOND.=C2=A0 That is <br>
important; if the Thought Police appear, my machines can be<br>
rebooted QUICKLY to a Windows XP partition with Solitaire on<br>
the screen. <br>
<br>
Regards speed; all my machines have Samsung 870 EVO solid<br>
state drives, 1TB for the laptops, 2TB for the desktops,<br>
and large platter drives on the backup servers.=C2=A0 I have<br>
not tried 4TB or larger on the Thinkpads ... but I do have<br>
tools to rewrite the BIOS tables if necessary, and have<br>
done that to accommodate retrofitted 2048x1536 screens.<br>
<br>
Properly configured, I can move the Debian SSDs between<br>
laptops and desktops, for command line upgrade or<br>
recovery from backups.=C2=A0 I keep bootable spares, in case<br>
I meak two minnie mesdakes.<br>
<br>
So, yes, Debian!<br>
<br>
Keith L.<br>
<br>
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