Re: Criticism of F9 Fairness.

Quoting "José Matos" <[email protected]>:

> On Wednesday 18 June 2008 05:38:50 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>> Yep... You got it... But seriously. When software goes gold, you wouldn't
>> expect that the foundations are half finished would you. You shouldn't have
>> to read any prerelease anything for that would you? Xwindows provides the
>> foundation for everything... well... hmmm... let me see... Xwindows... If
>> Xwindows is buggy then everything that runs under Xwindows is buggy. If you
>> run into a problem is it the software or Xwindows?
>
> Eli I know you from a long time here so I can place your message in the
> correct context.
>
> So with this said I would like to point the following, you have just a couple
> of examples to show that the version of XWindow (please not the 
> capitalization
> and the absence of the last _s_) is buggy for most people it works.
>
> It is not because a software is declared stable that bugs simply go away.
>

I quite agree with this statement. However, being declared stable means that the developers have to the best of their ability removed bugs that prevent the features that are advertised to work there to actually work. Being declared Beta does not declare that kind of obligation. Also, being Beta does not oblige third parties who would otherwise be obliged to support it. Like Xinerama.

> OK, just to give you an example of what I mean, I am the release manager of
> LyX, I have been working with it for a long time and at a certain 
> point I have
> decided to compile old versions just for fun.
>
> I am speaking of versions prior to the qt-frontend that were xforms based.
>
> For some time there was a bug in the Xorg version (and XFree86 
> before) where X
> would simply blow up if I tried to run any ancient version of LyX. That is a
> bug no matter how buggy the application is the server should not crash.
>
> Another case was when at a certain point all kernels refused to boot on my
> laptop. For some reason the BIOS would give the wrong address of some PCI
> setup.
>
> What I am saying is that if something bad happens to us it is a catastrophe,
> if it happens to others it is a statistical number. This means that I can
> understand your frustration but that does not prove that this version is
> buggier than the previous. :-)
>

That's usually true. And right now the sky is not falling. However, 

>> What are we doing running a free version of Windows.... (sarcasim - Not
>> flame bait).
>
> Some of my windows friends disagree they think that is becoming prettier than
> windows. Really. :-) I was using the latest kde 4.1 beta 1, specifically the
> new kmail and the korganizer and I got a wow from the guy next to me. :-)
>

I absolutely agree. Its always been the case. KDE IMHO has always been pretty and more useful as a desktop than Windows. And the brief looks I have when I have to close MythTV makes me go dang... I want to get this on my main desktop. However, buggy Xinerama in XWindow prevents me from installing Fedora 9 and KDE 4.1 Beta on my main dual head desktop. Even though I am using a newer NVidia card and NVidia is providing support for newer models.

>> Eli
>
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