#lfs-support IRC

It is clear the editors intend for the #lfs-support irc channel to be a
place of condescension, denigration, fear, intimidation and cyberbullying.
A typical interaction:
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newuser> are there instructions somewhere i missed for how recompiling the
kernel for blfs works?
newuser> also is there a specific place i'm supposed to put the kernel
source instead of just "/sources"?
niceperson> why are you recompiling the kernel for blfs?
newuser> i'm not yet, i'm just expecting i might want to
niceperson> oh like upgrading the kernel?
newuser> i'm using LFS as a learning exercise, so i'm not sure what BLFS
software i might eventually want to install
niceperson> have you got a running LFS yet?
newuser> for this reason i also want to learn how the process of
recompiling the kernel works for its own sake
newuser> i haven't compiled the kernel the first time yet, so no
niceperson> i have probably built and rebuilt the LFS dev version numerous
times , each time fine tuning my scripts for automation, but there is the
jhalfs if you really want
                   automate
newuser> i'm using LFS as a learning exercise
niceperson> some start with a slackware .config , or there is the fedora
.config
newuser> i'm not planning on using this as a real system
niceperson> copying that after the make mrproper
newuser> my questions are 1. whenever BLFS says to recompile the kernel if
necessary, does that include the mrproper step, and 2. should the linux
kernel source directory
                          be anywhere in particular?
newuser> i became concerned because i learned that make mrproper also
resets the kernel config
newuser> and also i heard on a few places on the internet when i was trying
to google about this some fuss about people putting the source directory in
some spot or
                          another and whether wherever it was is where it's
"supposed" to be so i am also wondering if there's somewhere it's supposed
to be
niceperson> this could be a good read https://docs.kernel.org/
niceperson> i had tryed /opt/source for my LFS source archives
newuser> i'm assuming it's probably fine if the linux source is in /source
like the other extracted tarballs, and that i can always move it later
cyberbully> best to config it once nad be done  enable what ya need for blfs
cyberbully> and*
newuser> i'm also assuming that i should skip the mrproper step whenever i
need to recompile, because not doing that would erase the configuration
cyberbully> mrproper is always run every time a fresh untar is used
newuser> i'm just a little nervous because the instructions aren't super
clear about either topic
cyberbully> right if you reuse the source again for a change/add  then no
need
cyberbully> the book isnt meant as a reference on kernel building  cmon
newuser> i know lol
cyberbully> you sound like ya dont know crap
newuser> that's why i'm here, i'm working through LFS in order to learn the
internals of a linux system
cyberbully> lfs is written for experienced builders
newuser> "One important reason for this project's existence is to help you
learn how a Linux system works from the inside out. Building an LFS system
helps demonstrate
                          what makes Linux tick, and how things work
together and depend on each other."
cyberbully> right where does it say its for beginners
cyberbully> and read the channel topic
newuser> for the record i'm not a beginner, i've been daily driving fedora
for a couple years now and i know pretty well how to use and debug a linux
system
cyberbully> thtas user level knowledge  not compiling source experience
cyberbully> thats*
niceperson> i would start by moving from fedora to either Arch or Gentoo as
a daily
newuser> which is why i'm asking specific sanity-check questions like "i've
learned from reading the linux docs myself before even logging into the irc
that make mrproper
                          deletes the config file, so i assume i'm not
supposed to do that?"
newuser> as i've said, i want to learn how linux systems work internally,
and i've mostly done that myself; i'm not interested in daily driving a
fully custom linux system
                          or automating the process, and that's because i
know what i want, not because i don't know how to do things
newuser> i understand that you guys must get a lot of confused noobs in
these channels and that must be frustrating but i'm not appreciating the
condescending tone
niceperson> cause this is the support channel for the LFS book for
questions regarding the building of the book, there is a separate channel
#lfs for just chat
cyberbully> too bad  go get the compiling experience and then you'll
understand my tone
newuser> i asked two very specific questions and got chatter in response
cyberbully> you got accurate explanations not chatter a-hole
cyberbully> care for  ban?
newuser> i'm trying to meet you in the middle here
newuser> you answered my first question, thank you for that
cyberbully> you sound like a spoiled noob who expects to be catered to
newuser> now i'm just wondering if there's anywhere in particular the linux
source tree should be
niceperson> have you read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
newuser> i have, but thank you for reminding me
niceperson> if you are building from source the LFS is what you make it,
and how you build it yourself
newuser> i will put it in /usr/src then
newuser> i'm not expecting to be catered to, you've answered my questions
perfectly well enough, i'm just expecting not to be called stupid for
asking for support in the
                          support channel
newuser> but being that this is the support channel i'm not going to drag
the topic out further
newuser> thank you both for your help!
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Thank you for providing such a cold place where idiot noobs with their
ridiculously stoopid questions can be quickly put in their place and sent
packing.

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