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> Il giorno 12 dic 2024, alle ore 13:57, jeremy wiig <[email protected]> ha scritto:
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> It is clear the editors intend for the #lfs-support irc channel to be a place of condescension, denigration, fear, intimidation and cyberbullying. A typical interaction:
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> newuser> are there instructions somewhere i missed for how recompiling the kernel for blfs works?
> newuser> also is there a specific place i'm supposed to put the kernel source instead of just "/sources"?
> niceperson> why are you recompiling the kernel for blfs?
> newuser> i'm not yet, i'm just expecting i might want to
> niceperson> oh like upgrading the kernel?
> newuser> i'm using LFS as a learning exercise, so i'm not sure what BLFS software i might eventually want to install
> niceperson> have you got a running LFS yet?
> newuser> for this reason i also want to learn how the process of recompiling the kernel works for its own sake
> newuser> i haven't compiled the kernel the first time yet, so no
> niceperson> i have probably built and rebuilt the LFS dev version numerous times , each time fine tuning my scripts for automation, but there is the jhalfs if you really want
> automate
> newuser> i'm using LFS as a learning exercise
> niceperson> some start with a slackware .config , or there is the fedora .config
> newuser> i'm not planning on using this as a real system
> niceperson> copying that after the make mrproper
> newuser> my questions are 1. whenever BLFS says to recompile the kernel if necessary, does that include the mrproper step, and 2. should the linux kernel source directory
> be anywhere in particular?
> newuser> i became concerned because i learned that make mrproper also resets the kernel config
> newuser> and also i heard on a few places on the internet when i was trying to google about this some fuss about people putting the source directory in some spot or
> another and whether wherever it was is where it's "supposed" to be so i am also wondering if there's somewhere it's supposed to be
> niceperson> this could be a good read https://docs.kernel.org/
> niceperson> i had tryed /opt/source for my LFS source archives
> newuser> i'm assuming it's probably fine if the linux source is in /source like the other extracted tarballs, and that i can always move it later
> cyberbully> best to config it once nad be done enable what ya need for blfs
> cyberbully> and*
> newuser> i'm also assuming that i should skip the mrproper step whenever i need to recompile, because not doing that would erase the configuration
> cyberbully> mrproper is always run every time a fresh untar is used
> newuser> i'm just a little nervous because the instructions aren't super clear about either topic
> cyberbully> right if you reuse the source again for a change/add then no need
> cyberbully> the book isnt meant as a reference on kernel building cmon
> newuser> i know lol
> cyberbully> you sound like ya dont know crap
> newuser> that's why i'm here, i'm working through LFS in order to learn the internals of a linux system
> cyberbully> lfs is written for experienced builders
> newuser> "One important reason for this project's existence is to help you learn how a Linux system works from the inside out. Building an LFS system helps demonstrate
> what makes Linux tick, and how things work together and depend on each other."
> cyberbully> right where does it say its for beginners
> cyberbully> and read the channel topic
> newuser> for the record i'm not a beginner, i've been daily driving fedora for a couple years now and i know pretty well how to use and debug a linux system
> cyberbully> thtas user level knowledge not compiling source experience
> cyberbully> thats*
> niceperson> i would start by moving from fedora to either Arch or Gentoo as a daily
> newuser> which is why i'm asking specific sanity-check questions like "i've learned from reading the linux docs myself before even logging into the irc that make mrproper
> deletes the config file, so i assume i'm not supposed to do that?"
> newuser> as i've said, i want to learn how linux systems work internally, and i've mostly done that myself; i'm not interested in daily driving a fully custom linux system
> or automating the process, and that's because i know what i want, not because i don't know how to do things
> newuser> i understand that you guys must get a lot of confused noobs in these channels and that must be frustrating but i'm not appreciating the condescending tone
> niceperson> cause this is the support channel for the LFS book for questions regarding the building of the book, there is a separate channel #lfs for just chat
> cyberbully> too bad go get the compiling experience and then you'll understand my tone
> newuser> i asked two very specific questions and got chatter in response
> cyberbully> you got accurate explanations not chatter a-hole
> cyberbully> care for ban?
> newuser> i'm trying to meet you in the middle here
> newuser> you answered my first question, thank you for that
> cyberbully> you sound like a spoiled noob who expects to be catered to
> newuser> now i'm just wondering if there's anywhere in particular the linux source tree should be
> niceperson> have you read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
> newuser> i have, but thank you for reminding me
> niceperson> if you are building from source the LFS is what you make it, and how you build it yourself
> newuser> i will put it in /usr/src then
> newuser> i'm not expecting to be catered to, you've answered my questions perfectly well enough, i'm just expecting not to be called stupid for asking for support in the
> support channel
> newuser> but being that this is the support channel i'm not going to drag the topic out further
> newuser> thank you both for your help!
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> Thank you for providing such a cold place where idiot noobs with their ridiculously stoopid questions can be quickly put in their place and sent packing.
Hi jeremy,
I’m sorry for your bad experience, the act of insulting someone that has made a question, even a simple one, is not acceptable. I’m sure that the admins will take proper action.
That said I would like to answer tha question that you asked on IRC and I hope to receive any corrections from people with more experience then me.
Follow these steps as root
1. unpack your kernel wherever you want (/sources is fine, Do not put them in /usr/src/linux) and run
make me proper
2. Configure, build it and install it
3. Run chroot -R 0:0 on the Linux-X.YY.Z folder to ensure all files are owned by root
Later if you want to add new modules to the kernel repeat the step 2.
If there’s a problem with the compilation try:
make clean
And then
make
Read carefully chapter 10.3 [1] of LFS, the page Using GRUB to Set Up the Boot Process with UEFI of BLFS (you can find a link to that page from chapter 10.3 of LFS) [2] and the index page of BLFS (longindex.html), Kernel Configuratin section [3]
[1] https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter10/kernel.html
[2] https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/postlfs/grub-setup.html#uefi-kernel
[3] https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/longindex.html#kernel-config-index
If you need anything we are here
Michele
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