Re: #lfs-support IRC

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:52 AM Rainer Fiebig
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Am 12.12.24 um 17:25 schrieb jeremy wiig ([email protected] via
> lfs-support Mailing List):
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 8:28 AM Rainer Fiebig
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 12.12.24 um 13:56 schrieb jeremy wiig ([email protected] via
> >> lfs-support Mailing List):
> >>> It is clear the editors intend for the #lfs-support irc channel to be a
> >>> place of condescension, denigration, fear, intimidation and cyberbullying.
> >>> A typical interaction:
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> / snip /
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Thank you for providing such a cold place where idiot noobs with their
> >>> ridiculously stoopid questions can be quickly put in their place and sent
> >>> packing.
> >> I do not use or monitor LFS-related irc-channels.  So I cannot tell
> >> whether the "interaction" you presented here had actually taken place or
> >> whether it is really "typical", as you are alleging.
> >>
> >> But having taken a closer look at the dialogue, I find your allegations
> >> so obviously disproportionate and even insulting, that I'm really
> >> wondering whether you have a hidden agenda.
> >>
> >> Rainer
> >>
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> > Your admission that you have no idea what happens on the channel while
> > accusing me of being a liar and having a hidden agenda is rather
> > preposterous.
> I haven't accused you of anything.  But I do not know you.  So why
> should I take anything that you posted here at face value?  Especially
> since it had a rather attack-like and brazen character?
>
> >
> > You don't have to take my word for it, fire up an IRC client on your
> > server for a month and see for yourself what transpires. Then maybe we
> > can have a discussion. At least you'll have a basis for making your
> > accusations.
> The sheer discrepancy between the severeness of the imputations that you
> made and the actual content of the "interaction" that you presented here
> is reason enough for me to become suspicious.  I do not need to see
> more.  And no, I don't think that I want to have a discussion with you.
>
> Rainer
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This has gone completely off the rails and it is 100% my fault. I have
a great interest in (B)LFS and would like to someday contribute to the
project but have now left a bad taste with the devs. I let my emotions
get the better of me, came out of the gate shooting from the hip and I
am sorry for that. I also apologize for the double (triple?) cliche :)

My only point is that I have seen many posters to the IRC belittled
unnecessarily (IMO) to the point of leaving and never coming back,
perhaps abandoning LFS as a whole. As an educational endeavour I find
this kind of treatment on the list to be too harsh. I only intended to
bring it out for discussion, not to make accusations to the devs and
not to alienate myself from the group. I took it too far too early and
hope it is not too late to dial back.

Jeremy

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