Re: building linux from scratch for the raspberry pi model 5b 8 gig version

Am 23.05.25 um 00:16 schrieb Nick Gawronski ([email protected] via
lfs-support Mailing List):
> On 5/22/2025 4:23 PM, Rainer Fiebig ([email protected] via lfs-support
> Mailing List) wrote:
>> Am 22.05.25 um 21:40 schrieb Nick Gawronski:
>>>
>>> On 5/22/2025 2:28 AM, Rainer Fiebig ([email protected] via lfs-support
>>> Mailing List) wrote:
>>>> Am 22.05.25 um 05:55 schrieb Nick Gawronski ([email protected] via
>>>> lfs-support Mailing List):
>>>>> On 5/21/2025 7:49 PM, William Harrington ([email protected] via
>>>>> lfs-support Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:54:49 -0500
>>>>>> "Nick Gawronski" ([email protected] via lfs-support Mailing
>>>>>> List)
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has built linux from scratch
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> raspberry pi model 5b computer as I have the 8 gig of ram version
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> was wondering if I could natively build this on there? Yes I can
>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>> it on the x64 system I have or a virtual private server but was just
>>>>>>> wondering if doing this on a smaller system would get me any
>>>>>>> advantages
>>>>>>> other then not having everything else that the other systems come
>>>>>>> with?
>>>>>>> Nick Gawronski
>>>>>> Hello Nick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Figured I'd reply to the original e-mail and let you know how the
>>>>>> status of my current Wayland Plasma build, and it has gone well. If
>>>>>> you get the itch, you can definitely get to a plasma/wayland desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This took me a course of about a week from some trial and error
>>>>>> (one I
>>>>>> was wanting a pure wayland build, but that is still impossible as
>>>>>> parts of kf5 and plasma still require some xorglibs and xcb, even
>>>>>> though I tried to hack it out of there).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attaching my results, so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Harrington
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Interesting that you are building a full graphical desktop as I
>>>>>> would probably not have done that as it would probably take sometime
>>>>>> to build. How long did it take to get the graphical desktop built and
>>>>>> what package takes the longest to compile as watching that build on
>>>>>> that system would be very interesting.  When doing the desktop build
>>>>>> are there any special tasks that I need to do on the raspberry pi
>>>>>> system because it is a different system then the normal x64 systems?
>>>>>> Nick Gawronski
>>>> Nick, something seems wrong with your Thunderbird settings.  Your
>>>> replies always look as if they belong to the post you reply to (see
>>>> attached screenshot).  Please check.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Rainer
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I am not sure if you were on the list but it might have been
>>>> posted on the development list but I myself am totally blind and use
>>>> screen readers in both Windows and Linux so visual screenshots are not
>>>> very accessible to me.  I usually just down errow to the end of the
>>>> message and add my text there but if there are any keyboard commands
>>>> for doing the quoting tasks as I do not use any mouse at all those
>>>> would be useful to know.  I am very interested in Linux because of the
>>>> ability to change things in it and once I find out the exact steps and
>>>> packages I would like to make an accessibility chapter to one of the
>>>> books.  I in Linux mainly use the text console but orca in the mate
>>>> desktop does work well and even I think in gnome.  For console speech
>>>> using the sound card I usually use the speakup screen reader that is
>>>> built into the kernel and can be added with configuration options in
>>>> the staging area.  I just thought that I would let you know that
>>>> screenshots are not very helpful for someone who can not see pictures
>>>> but do enjoy this project a lot.  Nick Gawronski
>>>>
>> Sorry, Nick, I didn't know about your handicap.  Clearly, screenshot are
>> anything but helpful in this case.  But I have an idea what the problem
>> might be and how to solve it.  If I'm right, there would be two
>> solutions:
>>
>> Solution one: after you have "down-arrowed" to the end, do not start
>> typing but hit "enter" to create a newline and only then start typing.
>> By the way: instead of using the down-key to get to the end of the post,
>> it would be easier and faster to  use the key-combination "control" plus
>> "end".  Again, do not start typing immediately after that but hit
>> "enter" before you type.
>>
>> Solution two: this would be the usual way via the Thunderbird-settings
>> for your email-account.  If you can get to them (via "Edit/Mail and
>> Newsgrops Account Settings"), go to "Composition and Addressing". Then
>> activate check-box "Automatically quote the original message when
>> replying" and choose "start my reply below the quote" in the drop down
>> field "When quoting".  Go to "OK" and hit "enter".  I don't know whether
>> this is possible for you but I thought I'd better mention it anyway.
>>
>> I hope this helps and that you keep enjoying your LFS/BLFS adventure!
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your reply starts below the previous post.  That's OK.  But perhaps you
>> do not go down far enough to the last line and start your reply one line
>> above that line
> 
> Hi, I just changed the settings in the accounts menu so hopefully things
> work properly now.  The reason I like building from source is that I can
> leave out unneeded packages and features and build a completely
> accessible version.  One thing that I am not sure has been talked about
> is creating an installer to install this system to another computer
> without using tar to back it up and then restoring it again.  Nick
> Gawronski
> 
Quoting is perfect now, very good!  Regarding the installer: I think I
faintly remember that someone once wanted to start or was even already
working on a project to install LFS/BLFS from a CD.  But I didn't follow
the discussion (if it actually took place) and so can't say much more
about it.  But given that you have just started to build LFS, an
installer for a completely accessible system would be a very long-term
goal anyway, right?  I would rather concentrate on the next concrete
steps and only later on dreams. ;)

Rainer

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