Re: Wiki War I

> > backlinks
> > from what I see, wikipedia does not support backlinks, which means that
> > developers must do twice as much work for every update than is neccessary
>
> 	I think "What links here" provides this functionality (or is
> "backlinks" something different?).

Back_Links is something different. In wiki's that support Wiki_Actions, the 
list of pages that link to the page can be included by something like:
{{backlinks}}

Which provides a navigation tool, to help people find related topics.

The very first wiki that I ever saw, has backlinks for every page that wasn't 
yet created...   they automatically became (disambiguous?? pages, as 
wikipedia calls them)

If  you impleemented a list of "what links here" in the template, so that the 
list appears in the margin of the page,  I would be happy.

>
> > Navigation
> > pages must have links to documents that are logically parents, and peers
> > this type information makes it extremely easy to navigate a site
>
> 	The wiki should not have to be organized in a parent/child format
> - you should be able to flow through the wiki by clicking on topics that
> interest you.

Right, the people should be able to click on topic that interest them and 
navigate arround... but really.. what type of document is the wikipedia 
supposed to be?  What types of documents is is not supposed to be?

The kind of documentation that I find most usefull are ones that teach me the 
vocabulary of the site.  I don't know the propriatary names for certain 
widgets and what not...  I need a way to connect what I want to do with how 
to do it.

 quick, down and dirty howtos, and tips, and definitions are usefull... but 
they need that connection... I need to be able to find what I'm looking for.

You all are limiting the capabilities of the wiki in this regard, and hence my 
"useless" comment applies.    I can't learn things from your site... I 
already have to know some secret passphrase of a product name, or problem set 
to do what I need to do... 

There needs to be multiple ways of navigating the wiki...  and having a 
multiple parent/child heirarchy  will not exclude other forms of navigation.

Having the "see also" and external links at the bottom of the page is very 
cruel, and makes the cost of navigating pages higher than it should be.



>
> > moderator quickness to moderate
> > moderators should delay before editing a page, perhaps talk to the user
> > while the user is online instead of nuking new pages introduced by a
> > member
>
> 	Pages should only be "nuked" if there is a good reason (copyright
> violation for instance).

Well... Maybe nuke was too strong of a word...  edit in a way that requires 
rework is what I meant.


> > Main Page
> > this page needs to start people on their way. it should list the most
> > commonly used subset items of a category next to the super category... 
> > i.e., it should be like download.com, listing common utilities under
> > utilities.. helping to define what is meant
>
> 	The Main Page is still growing/taking shape and I will keep your
> suggestion in mind.

It's a protected page... it does not appear to be growing/changing...
but thanks for keeping the suggestions in mind!


> > Quantity vs Quality
> > let there be little pages that have a crumb of information... that 
> > hyperlink may be exactly what the user wanted!  who cares about the
> > formatting!!! if somebody has nothing better to do, then go make the
> > formatting easier to navigate/ clearer... don't make it so that the user
> > must scroll through two or three pages of screen space to find that
> > crumb.
>
> 	The user is free to enter in info in the format they like.  It
> will (hopefully) be edited at some point to fit into the Manual of Style.
> the site really needs to have a consistent look/feel.  If you have 10,000
> people entering info in whatever way they like, the end result will be an
> unreadable mess that is of little use.

The format does not provide the utility, the navigation provides the 
utility... Our information is a complex web, and modeling it with the propper 
connections parent/child/peer/related will help us achieve usability.

Having some rigid format be enforced is counter to your goal.
I like having manual of styles.. but they shouldn't be enforced for the most 
part.


>
> > * wiki.linuxquestions.org   This is the first page where I've had to deal
> > with other people... I have always been god...   D something or other
> > beat me down a bit   (a good thing), and now I come to you all with my
> > tail between my legs, offering with my last bit of strength suggestions
> > and advice. regarding your epic project.
>
> 	Having a large number of participants is what is making the LQ
> wiki great.  It is a collaborative effort.  One person can add a stub, the
> next person some info, the next person just spelling corrections, etc.  In
> the end we get a well written, well formated, non-bias and informative
> article.
>
> --jeremy
I agree that having a lot of people is great... but sometimes we'll work 
against eachother.

http://www.subverted.net/wakka  gives ownership of the page to the person who 
created the page.  That user can control who has access to those pages.  
Please consider making everybody a moderator of their own pages, and keep the 
flock of super moderators busy fighting vandalism and account/password loss 
issues.

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