Re: Idea for navigation

This page belongs on the wiki, it goes with wiki theory and needs to be on 
sites that have wiki newbies looking at.

a short comment that deserves a thorough reply 4 sections A B and C.. and D

> 	Multiple navigation systems is a bad thing.  It's confusing and
> unintuitive (imagine a book where half the index was in one format and
> half in a completely different format).

A.  a way of hiding multiple navigation systems

If there is a collapsible wiki construct, (hideable, like the table of 
contents for a page that has many sub headings), then  lets contain them in 
that.

B  every wiki page is a wiki entry point.  clicking on "Main Page" will often 
get people many pages away from the content they were just looking at... yes 
back links can solve this, but the navigation system is more on top of it.

C.  the navigation systems I can see, don't have any inherent conflict in 
them. They all pretty much need to be supported... they are a bit redundant, 
but so is the glossary the table of contents and page number and the index in 
a book.

D:  The multiple types of navigation systems listed

1. In paragraph links to other pages -- I don't think this one is debated

2. a See Also section -- this one I think is appropriate for pages that people 
have given up on...  It is very easy to do, but doesn't divide the links up, 
also on long pages, it's way down at the bottom
This also takes a minimum of about 4 lines. it is very sparse. 

3. Member Of: Grandparent : parent & uncle & aunt
   See Also:  not on topic but related peers
This is cool because it only takes 2 lines, is very dense,  it doesn't contain 
links to extra stuff  and provides a way out

(that extra stuff that the author didn't have time to write, that's held in a 
== See Also == or == I don't have time to deal with this == section . (

4. Backlinks have some good and bad qualities.
 good, it's thourough.

 bad, it gets all the links relation to the page mixed up, (kinda like the 
current ==See Also== sections)

 good, it povides a way back to the page that they got to it from, one often 
times uses a book mark, or browser autocompletion to bet back to a page, and 
the history information is gone

 bad server intesnive?

good automatic alphabetical listing!!
good instantly updated!

5. Searching with wiki search engine

6. searching from off site search engine

7. browser history

8. browser address autocompletion

9 remembered URL

10, intrawiki linking

11, other sites linking/friends/misc


 called it, wihout clicking back 


---- snipit that got too long --- (note, I treat my own emails like I treat 
wikis, I leave partially formed paragraphs or ideas in an out of the way 
spot... so people can get the gist of what I mean or read the longer winded 
supporting arguments /examples

 (yes, people don't just click on a link, then go back, they go around and 
come back to the page... and they remember seeing a page right before this 
page... but it's not a book, they hit back, and they go to the pr0n site that 
they were just looking at because they used the browsers autocompletion to go 
back to the page...   Now they have the choice of clicking back, or opening 
their history book... a real mess!