Re: [OM Cooker] Odp.: Re: Odp.: Re: Problem updating system

2013/6/20 Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]>

> 2013/6/20 Kate Lebedeff <[email protected]>
>
>> Guilherme, my comment even contains a quote
>> Please do not juggle and do not pinpoint to others
>>
>> I was referring to your exact words
>>
>> I was not (yet) commenting on conversations between TPG and Matt, and
>> this does not make my comment to you a double-standard
>>
>> Please hear me right and do not go personal or emotional
>>
>> I hope this conversation (if you feel like continuing it) would be
>> continued in other places, out of this ML
>>
> This has been one of the biggest problems all along with the relations
> between association and the project, where new mailing lists keeps getting
> created (without any need for so many, considering the low amount of
> traffic, it only introduces more bureacracy and difficulties for people to
> follow everything) and discussions regarding the project itself never took
> place on the project mailing list where all the actual developers (you
> know, those who actually do all the work involved with producing the distro
> rather than trying to compensate by introducing more bureacracy,
> interferring with and controlling it) are active and following.
>
> If we have a problem here with the project and with something going on at
> the list, we discuss it here, not everywhere else.
>
> I don't think there's many of the developers who appreciated too much how
> the association claimed the project as it's property based on it being
> hosted on servers donated to the association (for the project to use), how
> everyone got revoked their access privilegies and inhibited from doing much
> of their work just because someone wants to have more control and with it a
> greater ability to behave in a completely unacceptable way.
>
> It's paradoxally amusing how the council that weren't supposed to be able
> to interfer with the project, suddenly found themself fully able to choose
> who to lead it, who to kick out etcetc. based on a single, insignificant
> commit, then portrayed me as a dictactor hijacking the project..
>
> This project has always relied on a very open environment,
> pseudo-anarchistic meritocracy in nature, where the freedom of being able
> to do a lot without bureacracy and restrictions, has made it able to stay a
> highly dynamic and versatile distro despite having a far less amount of
> maintainers than most other distros, with some key people (like TPG) doing
> the wast amount of work and pulling their weight on regular basis far more
> than others.
> This is what the association and with the behaviour of people like Matt is
> now about to erradicate what's left of, being too stubborn and filled with
> pride over their accomplishments in creating an association and their egos
> getting in the way of listening to advice and objections from those who
> actually have the most solid experience and merits to show for (even
> completely ignoring and dismissing critic and advice given by people like
> Bruce Perens which undisputably has the merits to show for, because you're
> such a democracy with such great accomplishments that you don't have to
> care about what others has to say, especially if you don't like, because
> then you can just censor it just like any real democracy would do, right?)..
>
> Someone who's majority of contributions to cooker has been commits of the
> "cleaned up spec" kind, touting that we're in a soft freeze, yet still not
> focusing on doing any important work on distro, but rather still spends
> most of his efforts on this "highly significant" work, should reallyreally
> think twice before calling out someone who actually does a lot of important
> work (and has actually done so for quite a long time, making him well
> deserved of better treatment) that drives progress and threatening him with
> revoking his commit access.
>
> So how long have you guys been in soft freeze now? Three months? How much
> longer has it been since the two weeks anticipated for rebuilding the whole
> distro after the migration? 7-8 months? Yet you're still not done and I
> don't really see much QA being done on the actual built packages themself,
> making sure that a package rebuilds surely doesn't qualify as "more
> intensive" QA..
>
> A bit longer rant than what I planned for, prolly' the result of having
> been censored for the past months.. :p
>
> --
> Regards,
> Per Øyvind
>
So much for expecting censorship on om-cooker list to have been removed, oh
well, maybe I'll start CC'ing here whenever I try reply to any post or
anything.. :p


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Regards,
Per Øyvind