Re: [OM Cooker] Odp.: Re: Odp.: Re: Problem updating system

--- On Fri, 6/21/13, Raphaël Jadot <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Raphaël Jadot <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] [OM Cooker] Odp.: Re: Odp.: Re: Problem updating system
> To: "David Walser" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected], [email protected], "Rolf Pedersen" <[email protected]>
> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013, 2:06 AM
> 
> Le 21/06/2013 02:26, David Walser a écrit :
> > --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Rolf Pedersen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> From: Rolf Pedersen <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: Re: [Cooker] [OM Cooker] Odp.: Re: Odp.:
> Re: Problem updating system
> >> To: [email protected],
> [email protected]
> >> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 7:28 PM
> >>
> >> On 06/20/2013 02:02 PM, David Walser wrote:
> >>>> 4.Who renamed (be self decision) distro
> name to
> >> Moondrake?
> >>> Original poll was conducted by Charles Schulz.
> 
> >> Top winner was something like mandala or something
> that
> >> apparently sounds funny in Russian, and was a
> result of some
> >> immature trolling.  Second was probably
> OpenMandriva,
> >> which is an irresponsible choice for a *product*
> name, due
> >> to trademark issues.  Third was
> Moondrake.  Seemed
> >> the best choice given the combination of
> responsibility and
> >> community preference at that time. 
> Furthermore, there
> >> was nothing set in stone about it that it couldn't
> be
> >> changed again before the release.  Finally,
> setting the
> >> name to *something* was made more urgent by Charles
> Schulz
> >> (again) demanding on behalf of MDV that it no
> longer be
> >> called "Mandriva Linux" as it still was at that
> time.
> >> Eschewing names with vulgar connotations in any
> language,
> >> let alone one used by most of the productive
> developers
> >> (afaict) and potential user base, is not
> trivial.  My
> >> recollection is that 'OpenMandriva' was
> licensed/ceded to
> >> OMA as the only 'mandriva'-containing name that
> could be
> >> used without legal challenge.  I voted for
> that name.
> >> "Irresponsible" is your characterization and
> debatable, as
> >> well.
> >> The hostility toward Schultz and other support paid
> for by
> >> Mandriva SA is, imo, unjustified and a prime source
> of the
> >> acrimony that continues to undermine the slow,
> precarious
> >> development of this attempted renaissance, the
> diligent
> >> unheralded work of volunteers, not only of code
> developers.
> >> Rolf
> > I wasn't expressing any hostility toward Charles, just
> stating what happened.  And irresponsible may be
> debatable, but if you think I'm wrong, then you don't
> understand trademark protection.  It's fine to use it
> as the association name, as that can be changed
> easily.  Not so for a product.  It doesn't matter
> what allowances MDV is making *now* for your ability to use
> their name.  As long as they own the trademark, they
> reserve the right to change their mind in the future. 
> I don't care what promises any current employees may have
> made about it, when in the future other people have the
> authority to make decisions about the use of the company's
> trademarks, they can change their mind.  Period.
> >
> Change their mind is one thing, however they sign this :
> http://wiki.openmandriva.org/om/en/License_agreement

That's great.  It doesn't contradict anything I said.