Re: Fwd: Re: grub-customizer

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2013/7/31 Jochen Sch=F6nfelder <[email protected]>

>
> > > And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by
> > > yourself.
> > >
> > No, because I'm quite positive about never having harazzed anyone on th=
is
> > list at all, which is why I'm asking for more details.
> > If they're so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able to
> > provide me with some examples, no?
> > Otherwise I might just argue that 'You are just claiming things here'.
> I'm still claiming "perceived as harrassing".

Well, first of all, in order to harass someone, you kinda have to get
personal towards someone, which I have not.
As you write, "always talking about stuff to be crap if you don't agree",
that is certainly right.
And I have no problem arguing why I have problems with things without
getting personal, criticizing other peoples' ideas, actions etc. is
certainly not something that can be perceived as harassment either, while
moderating me for this is certainly a clear text book example of what is to
be considered as censorship.

First and maybe most easy hit for
> proving that:


> rjadot on 2013-06-20:
>
> "Initially he is premoderated (and is the only one to be) on the list
> mainly for reason of rants, pollution, harassment and crossposting, not
> for having his opinions."
>
This proves it in what way? I find these claims as an obvious attempt to
deflect with empty accusations with even completely arbitrary rules about
rants and cross posting made up on the go.
And for pollution most complaints on cooker list earlier wasn't about
myself polluting it, but rather the pollution by Raphael and others trying
to justify their own actions.
Raphael was neither able to answer my question about harassment nor replies
to this post by others either.
Referring to a post where he makes up claims of this without being able to
answer for it doesn't really support your claims in any way.


>
> by seeing your answers you read that mail.
>
?

>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just stop trying to twist my words.
> >
> > Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..
> Well I wrote that i think you're perceived as harassing, you made out of
> that
> "show me where i harassed".
>
Semantics..
What is being perceived by someone under criticism often tends to differ
from actual reality...

>
> Will stop that now as I'm told and convinced that these discussions aren'=
t
> leading to anything.
>
Told by who..?

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Regards,
Per =D8yvind

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<div dir=3D"ltr">2013/7/31 Jochen Sch=F6nfelder <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</=
span><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1=
px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; &gt; And &quot;perceived as harrassing&quot; you could see in several =
archives by<br>
&gt; &gt; yourself.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; No, because I&#39;m quite positive about never having harazzed anyone =
on this<br>
&gt; list at all, which is why I&#39;m asking for more details.<br>
&gt; If they&#39;re so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able=
 to<br>
&gt; provide me with some examples, no?<br>
&gt; Otherwise I might just argue that &#39;You are just claiming things he=
re&#39;.<br>
</div>I&#39;m still claiming &quot;perceived as harrassing&quot;.</blockquo=
te><div>Well, first of all, in order to harass someone, you kinda have to g=
et personal towards someone, which I have not.</div><div>As you write, &quo=
t;<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.666666984558105p=
x">always talking about stuff to be crap if you don&#39;t agree&quot;, that=
 is certainly right.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.6666669845581=
05px">And I have no problem arguing why I have problems with things without=
 getting personal, criticizing other peoples&#39; ideas, actions etc. is ce=
rtainly not something that can be perceived as harassment either, while mod=
erating me for this is certainly a clear text book example of what is to be=
 considered as censorship.</span></div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> First and maybe most easy hit for<br>
proving that:</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
rjadot on 2013-06-20:<br>
<br>
&quot;Initially he is premoderated (and is the only one to be) on the list<=
br>
mainly for reason of rants, pollution, harassment and crossposting, not<br>
for having his opinions.&quot;<br></blockquote><div style>This proves it in=
 what way? I find these claims as an obvious attempt to deflect with empty =
accusations with even completely arbitrary rules about rants and cross post=
ing made up on the go.</div>
<div style>And for pollution most complaints on cooker list earlier wasn&#3=
9;t about myself polluting it, but rather the pollution by Raphael and othe=
rs trying to justify their own actions.</div><div style>Raphael was neither=
 able to answer my question about harassment nor replies to this post by ot=
hers either.</div>
<div style>Referring to a post where he makes up claims of this without bei=
ng able to answer for it doesn&#39;t really support your claims in any way.=
</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>
by seeing your answers you read that mail.<br></blockquote><div>?=A0</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Just stop trying to twist my words.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..<br>
</div>Well I wrote that i think you&#39;re perceived as harassing, you made=
 out of that<br>
&quot;show me where i harassed&quot;.<br></blockquote><div style>Semantics.=
.</div><div style>What is being perceived by someone under criticism often =
tends to differ from actual reality...</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-colo=
r:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>
Will stop that now as I&#39;m told and convinced that these discussions are=
n&#39;t<br>
leading to anything.<br></blockquote><div style>Told by who..?</div><div st=
yle><br></div><div style>--</div><div style>Regards,</div><div style>Per =
=D8yvind</div></div></div></div>

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