Re: [OM Cooker] Separate qa mailing list, why?!?!
Ben Bullard <[email protected]> Thu, 01 Aug 2013 20:23:20 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070807060707030304070609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/01/2013 07:29 PM, Per =D8yvind Karlsen wrote: > 2013/8/2 Ben Bullard <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]= >> > > On 08/01/2013 09:21 AM, Per =D8yvind Karlsen wrote: >> worsen communication > As compared to the high level of communication on this list? :-D > > Touch=E9. ;) > > I was more thinking along the lines of being more difficult to follow=20 > discussions though. :) > > -- > Regards, > Per =D8yvind I am the person who asked for the list and I asked for it to be private=20 for members of the QA team to discuss things amongst ourselves without=20 outside noise. It is other people who decided it should be a public=20 list. I still believe it should be private. OM-General and OM-Cooker are=20 more that enough for public discussion. In fact other lists such as=20 OM-council and OM-infra are private. As should, IMOH, be OM-QA. Of note it is obvious to me that the QA-team is slowed by noise from=20 outside those of us who are actually trying to accomplish work. And some=20 of us are trying hard to spark a movement of this distro in a forward=20 direction. And before anyone squawks, don't start with me about being=20 open/transparent. Do any of you believe that Fedora and OpenSuSE don't=20 have such channels of communication? If you do then you are not well=20 informed. These are the distros I looked at as we were forming the QA-Tea= m. Any QA teams work is ultimately public and should be as is ours. Yet all=20 organizations at times see a need do do some things privately with a=20 small work group. This is not new. It is not unusual. The 6/24 .iso is a=20 prime example of something that most definitely should have been tested=20 internally before public release. This type of testing can't be done=20 while communicating on a list open to the public. Do any of you actually=20 believe that Fedora or OpenSuSE release an Alpha .iso without internal=20 QA? I know for a fact that they don't. Hence they both have private=20 channels of communication for various work groups as do many opensource=20 groups, non-profit, for profit business organizations. Again not only is=20 this not unusual it is standard practice. --=20 Thanks, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------- OM-QA mailing list [email protected] http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-qa-openmandriva.org --------------070807060707030304070609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/01/2013 07:29 PM, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:CA+0WU1S1uSXPr-JfSjUTGTYDmkZL2U0P8WcVCoW8BYXgUC3R-A@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">2013/8/2 Ben Bullard <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span><br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div>On 08/01/2013 09:21 AM, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite">worsen communication</blockquote> <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">A</font>s compared to the high level of communication on this list?</font> <span><span> :-D</span></span></div> </blockquote> <div>Touché. ;)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I was more thinking along the lines of being more difficult to follow discussions though. :)</div> <div><br> </div> <div>--</div> <div>Regards,</div> <div>Per Øyvind</div> </div> </blockquote> I am the person who asked for the list and I asked for it to be private for members of the QA team to discuss things amongst ourselves without outside noise. It is other people who decided it should be a public list. I still believe it should be private. OM-General and OM-Cooker are more that enough for public discussion. In fact other lists such as OM-council and OM-infra are private. As should, IMOH, be OM-QA.<br> <br> Of note it is obvious to me that the QA-team is slowed by noise from outside those of us who are actually trying to accomplish work. And some of us are trying hard to spark a movement of this distro in a forward direction.<br> <br> And before anyone squawks, don't start with me about being open/transparent. Do any of you believe that Fedora and OpenSuSE don't have such channels of communication? If you do then you are not well informed. These are the distros I looked at as we were forming the QA-Team. <br> <br> Any QA teams work is ultimately public and should be as is ours. Yet all organizations at times see a need do do some things privately with a small work group. This is not new. It is not unusual. The 6/24 .iso is a prime example of something that most definitely should have been tested internally before public release. This type of testing can't be done while communicating on a list open to the public. Do any of you actually believe that Fedora or OpenSuSE release an Alpha .iso without internal QA? I know for a fact that they don't. Hence they both have private channels of communication for various work groups as do many opensource groups, non-profit, for profit business organizations. Again not only is this not unusual it is standard practice.<br> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Thanks, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------- OM-QA mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-qa-openmandriva.org">http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-qa-openmandriva.org</a></pre> </body> </html> --------------070807060707030304070609--