Re: Cemsorship again
Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 01:19:06 +0200
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--001a11393fb8799243051b7f0081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What would be great is if you could answer the reply to the cooker thread and try help out with getting the answers I ask for, and help underline the severity of this situation... As I'm unable to post to the om-cooker list anymore, someone else needs to step up and try help cure the situation. For your rpm5.org based distro, please let me know if there's anything I can help with.:) 2015-07-23 0:33 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <[email protected]>: > Huh, well I hope you guys can get things worked out. I still don't > understand what Matt's motive would be especially since 2012 undermining > relationships. Why do it, what power do you get from a dead bankrupt > project? With Jeff in my reading bug submissions etc.. I have always noti= ce > Jeff has been semi hard to work more recently with the db issue, that eve= n > affected me. He tends to try to talk over people when his legit mistakes > are pointed out instead of taking responsibility and will dig his heals i= n > the ground solely out of pride. He's been that way since Red Hat when he > worked on the original RPM. I'm sure it didn't better things when you > announced you were going back to work on rpm.org, that had to hurt his > pride. In any case I would like to see Mandrake again up and running. I > kind think it's time has passed however unless you can recapture the > interest and hold it by innovation and setting it apart from all the othe= r > hundreds of Desktop Linux distros (even Mageia now), it's just another on= e > bites the dust. For something that came about because someone wanted a > different Desktop Environment shipped with Red Hat it got pretty far. I'm > working on a small project myself that uses rpm5 so I have been tracking > other distros that use it as well, not too many left. Let me know if you > need anything, or if you need me to talk to anyone and I will try and > accommodate it. Sorry things have gone pair shaped. > > Kind regards, > > Jeremiah > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Jeff turned paranoid after Matt started feeding him FUD since 2012, whic= h >> is when our relationship deteriated.. >> >> Iunderstand you scepticism towards my claims about Matt, but his >> behaviour and attempt at controlling the project started after I delegat= ed >> him the responsibility of migrating the infrastructure (which he didn't >> play any active role in, except getting the ownership access while also >> choosing the name OpenMandriva).. >> Matt has also been very upset about his proposals has been repeatedly pu= t >> down not only by myself, but everyone else as well.. >> >> For the last years he has contributed nothing but just simple cosmetic >> changes to spec files, while even leaving the project for the last year.= .. >> >> If you look at his posts to cooker list, you'll witness a completely >> different behaviour from how he conducted himself on the unity list.. >> >> 2015-07-22 23:56 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <[email protected]>: >> >>> That's strange doesn't sound like Matt, and hasn't Jeff been hard to >>> work with and paranoid since his Red Hat days, him and Lennart are cut = from >>> he same cloth. What's your theory behind the mutiny, what's the motive? >>> On Jul 22, 2015 2:38 PM, "Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen" <proyvind@moondrake.= net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Matt used psychopath tactics with a lot of offline communication, >>>> manipulating everyone to believe that Mandriva would pull out unless w= e >>>> adopted the OpenMandriva name, he also was the one who instigated the >>>> mutiny against me, and hijacked the infrastructure, removing everyone'= s >>>> admin access... >>>> The list goes on and on, he's also responsible for having manipulated >>>> Jeff into getting paranoid and impossible to work with.. >>>> >>>> 2015-07-22 23:28 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> I worked with Matt in the past and he was pretty level headed. What's >>>>> going on? >>>>> On Jul 22, 2015 5:22 AM, "Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen" <proyvind@moondrak= e.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In response to my post yesterday morning, the OMA council decided >>>>>> off-list that they would be censoring me on mailing list, and ultima= tely >>>>>> block me from IRC, forums, mailing lists and ABF, in attempt of >>>>>> blackmailing me to apologize to the legitimate allegations raised.. >>>>>> >>>>>> as I'm unable to post to om-cooker, I'm posting to this list to >>>>>> inform others and hope for people demonstrating their same resistanc= e and >>>>>> intolerance to censorship... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Per =C3=98yvind >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> > --001a11393fb8799243051b7f0081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">What would be great is if you could answer the reply to th= e cooker thread and try help out with getting the answers I ask for, and he= lp underline the severity of this situation...<div><br></div><div>As I'= m unable to post to the om-cooker list anymore, someone else needs to step = up and try help cure the situation.</div><div><br></div><div>For your <a hr= ef=3D"http://rpm5.org">rpm5.org</a> based distro, please let me know if the= re's anything I can help with.:)</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">= <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-23 0:33 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <= span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div= dir=3D"ltr">Huh, well I hope you guys can get things worked out. I still d= on't understand what Matt's motive would be especially since 2012 u= ndermining relationships. Why do it, what power do you get from a dead bank= rupt project? With Jeff in my reading bug submissions etc.. I have always n= otice Jeff has been semi hard to work more recently with the db issue, that= even affected me. He tends to try to talk over people when his legit mista= kes are pointed out instead of taking responsibility and will dig his heals= in the ground solely out of pride. He's been that way since Red Hat wh= en he worked on the original RPM. I'm sure it didn't better things = when you announced you were going back to work on <a href=3D"http://rpm.org= " target=3D"_blank">rpm.org</a>, that had to hurt his pride. In any case I = would like to see Mandrake again up and running. I kind think it's time= has passed however unless you can recapture the interest and hold it by in= novation and setting it apart from all the other hundreds of Desktop Linux = distros (even Mageia now), it's just another one bites the dust. For so= mething that came about because someone wanted a different Desktop Environm= ent shipped with Red Hat it got pretty far. I'm working on a small proj= ect myself that uses rpm5 so I have been tracking other distros that use it= as well, not too many left. Let me know if you need anything, or if you ne= ed me to talk to anyone and I will try and accommodate it. Sorry things hav= e gone pair shaped.<div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><d= iv>Jeremiah</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class= =3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:0= 7 PM, Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:proyv= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> = wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Jeff turned paran= oid after Matt started feeding him FUD since 2012, which is when our relati= onship deteriated..<div><br></div><div>Iunderstand you scepticism towards m= y claims about Matt, but his behaviour and attempt at controlling the proje= ct started after I delegated him the responsibility of migrating the infras= tructure (which he didn't play any active role in, except getting the o= wnership access while also choosing the name OpenMandriva)..</div><div>Matt= has also been very upset about his proposals has been repeatedly put down = not only by myself, but everyone else as well..</div><div><br></div><div>Fo= r the last years he has contributed nothing but just simple cosmetic change= s to spec files, while even leaving the project for the last year...</div><= div><br></div><div>If you look at his posts to cooker list, you'll witn= ess a completely different behaviour from how he conducted himself on the u= nity list..</div></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-22 23:56 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <span dir=3D"l= tr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jmiahman@gm= ail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Th= at's strange doesn't sound like Matt, and hasn't Jeff been hard= to work with and paranoid since his Red Hat days, him and Lennart are cut = from he same cloth. What's your theory behind the mutiny, what's th= e motive?</p><div><div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2015 2:38 PM, "Per =C3=98yvind K= arlsen" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli= d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Matt used psychopath tactics with a lo= t of offline communication, manipulating everyone to believe that Mandriva = would pull out unless we adopted the OpenMandriva name, he also was the one= who instigated the mutiny against me, and hijacked the infrastructure, rem= oving everyone's admin access...<div>The list goes on and on, he's = also responsible for having manipulated Jeff into getting paranoid and impo= ssible to work with..</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-22 23:28 GMT+02:00 Jeremiah Summers <span dir=3D"l= tr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jmiahman@gm= ail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi= n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">I = worked with Matt in the past and he was pretty level headed. What's goi= ng on?</p><div><div> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2015 5:22 AM, "Per =C3=98yvind K= arlsen" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli= d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">In response to my post yesterday morni= ng, the OMA council decided off-list that they would be censoring me on mai= ling list, and ultimately block me from IRC, forums, mailing lists and ABF,= in attempt of blackmailing me to apologize to the legitimate allegations r= aised..<div><br></div><div>as I'm unable to post to om-cooker, I'm = posting to this list to inform others and hope for people demonstrating the= ir same resistance and intolerance to censorship...</div><div><br></div><di= v>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per =C3=98yvind<br><div><div><br></div><d= iv><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </blockquote></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --001a11393fb8799243051b7f0081--