Re: Project state, future and the inevitable doom
Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:24:27 +0200
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--001a114fa59c1f47eb051ba5a271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent from the wrong mail alias, so let's hope this one gets through to cooker.. 2015-07-24 23:11 GMT+02:00 Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <[email protected]>: > I very much welcome this proposal.. > > I must admit that my life got a bit more hectic as I just was made aware > of that I have to find a new place to live by the end of the month.. > > But I'll try to assemble a list of topics and a more concrete proposal fo= r > a structure for the project to be governed by, as it's been quite evident= , > especially sine yesterday's revelation of the OMA council's lack of respe= ct > of the project's autonomy, by both interfering with it by censoring the > mailing list again, while also refusing to disclose th details behind it, > which is obviously at conflicts with the statutes requiring transparency = of > information within organization.. > > I will also introduce you to Sam Spurlock, which has offered to help me/u= s > in this task, which I hope will help for a greater chance of success by m= y > attempts of pursuing everything on my own while also trying to focus on > technical matters and the mess that is my life these days.. > > Symbian Flo, would you be able to use some meeting organizing service > online to organize a meeting where everyone can rsvp and notify about the= ir > best time for such a meeting? > > 2015-07-23 19:32 GMT+02:00 Symbian Flo <[email protected]>: > >> AFIC everybody here is missing the big picture...( exempt pulfer), >> the priority ain't no more finances, or bad choices,or whatever... >> Hey folks no ABF no distro, and I mean no oma or rosa... >> I know , POK offered some hw, but let's wait for the new owner and what >> is up to. >> @POK writing here is kinda lame ... if you could try to organize a >> meeting >> on #moondrake, since some are banned from oma ml , some are not even >> in the ml and some , for some very strange reason don't reach oma ml >> anymore... >> that's why my ping yesterday. >> Or if you have some other option to meet just name it. >> For ex. I'm available all days after 19:00 ( Rome or CET) >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2015-07-21 3:53 GMT+02:00 Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <[email protected]>: >> >>> I'm sending forwarding this mail to you in expectancy of stepping up an= d >>> join the discussion as most of you has expressed same dissatisfaction w= ith >>> state of everything and support for these things. >>> So I hope that you guys finally will step up and make your voices heard= .. >>> Some of you I included in this forward as I know you might have some >>> interest on one level or another, or has the credibility and trust to c= hip >>> in and help out with this project which has become a disaster project-w= ise >>> and quality-wise.. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <[email protected]> >>> Date: 2015-07-20 20:49 GMT+02:00 >>> Subject: Project state, future and the inevitable doom >>> To: Cooker OpenMandriva <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> This is something I've been meaning to write for a long while, and most >>> contributors has really wanted me to bring up.. >>> Namely how this project since I was blocked from the project that got >>> hijacked and illegimately decided to denounce me as the project leader,= , >>> And the consensus of majority of contributors, while also ROSA has been >>> very unsatisfied by the result (remember, we were about to merge the tw= o >>> again before psychopats as Matthew Dawkins manipulated everyone off-lis= t in >>> private and made this whole a chaos and the the perfect distribution th= at >>> was in the works, never materialized, which OMV Lx became a huge >>> disappointment compared to,,, >>> >>> Also, which people like Kate are sincery dishonest about, is our fundin= g >>> and her intentions about leaving in like three months as Leonid Reiman = is >>> pulling out... >>> With the funds OMA has, this project will only be able to cover server >>> expenses for veryvery short time now... >>> >>> So something needs to be done,,, >>> I personally have a 64 core system which outperforms the whole cluster >>> nodes, which I'll be sponsoring the project with, while trying to see i= f I >>> can get free hosting or at least a good price on... >>> >>> Also, as OpenMandriva Lx, and "om.cooker" has abandoned all legacy and >>> trademark, and become irrelevant now, this project has no appeal to muc= h >>> people, stability and usage wise I'm not even recommending it to other.= .. >>> >>> So I propose that I assume the project leader role again (which >>> technically, noone took away from, this was handed to me by JMC himself= to >>> take responsibility for, which OMA forced itself to take these away, ye= t I >>> never gave them... >>> Also with OpenMandriva Lx has been a disaster what name, trademark and >>> lacking any clear goals and purposes concerns, this needs to change. >>> Our history dates back almost 20 years, and is our greatest assetm whil= e >>> OMA without even consulting cooker, decided that this would be a new >>> project, while "om-cooker" isn''t even considered as old cooker by thos= e, >>> something WE, the project, and which we made a clear stance on that WE >>> controlled the project, NOT OMA which people might recall from the gran= d >>> metting back in 2013... >>> >>> >>> So given current situation, and that I know I have support from most, >>> even Rapha=C3=ABl who's has been so sorry for what happened and the mis= takes >>> that wore, I propose taking the project leader role (as we actually sti= ll >>> lack one, I replaced Eugeni, noone replaced me) and everyone who have l= ong >>> experience with me know that I'm just, have integrity, longest experien= ce >>> with this project and know all of and how things works.. >>> >>> Also with the OMV naming disaster, while not even recovered the signin= g >>> key, giving the righteous rights to our cooker project, which I have in= my >>> possession,, >>> >>> And on a related note, with Mandriva being liquidaed we have no legal >>> presence in control of the project, the trademark loss back in 2006 is >>> rather moot outside of France... >>> >>> So in order to settle the the dispute, I'm wanting to name the project >>> back to Mandrake GNU/Linux (linux foundation has trademark on linux), w= hile >>> signing with the true Mandrake key in order for us to claim being the >>> project (most people has started perceiving Mageia as the true Mandrake >>> heir, which is a total lie, they forked with desceptive tactics and lie= s, >>> they even trying to steal our projects, claiming for themself to be the >>> true upstream for all of our software projects, which is plainly wrong)= ... >>> Notice however, I do not want to spoil the efforts people has invested >>> in OpenMandriva Lx, and as several among us has talked about separating= it >>> to a subproject, with the true cooker being upstream. Especially since = OMV >>> cannot be considered the same project, different signing key and even >>> changing version name to 3 (over almost twenty year as a full blown >>> community participated project, we obviously have released tons of past >>> releases..) >>> >>> So I hope that people will support this, otherwise the inevitable end i= s >>> near,, >>> >>> And pointed out above that I'll be sponsoring enterprise hardware, with >>> the current servers soon disappering I hope you all see that this is th= e >>> only way to save this project,,, >>> >>> Would anyone protest against this? >>> >>> If so, I'll be renaming moondrake to mandrake, while still keep signing >>> with the authentic Mandrake key in my releases and repos,,, >>> >>> Well, I hope at least that I spark a discussion and brought up the >>> severity of the situation for people to fully understand in what distre= ss >>> this project actually and also pave the ground for people to discuss >>> problems with project and what their unhappy with, Many people are loos= ing >>> interest and stopping to contribute... >>> >>> >>> Sincere Regards, >>> Per =C3=98yvind >>> >>> >> > --001a114fa59c1f47eb051ba5a271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I sent from the wrong mail alias, so let's hope this o= ne gets through to cooker..</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-24 23:11 GMT+02:00 Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <span d= ir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">proy= [email protected]</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir= =3D"ltr">I very much welcome this proposal..<div><br></div><div>I must admi= t that my life got a bit more hectic as I just was made aware of that I hav= e to find a new place to live by the end of the month..</div><div><br></div= ><div>But I'll try to assemble a list of topics and a more concrete pro= posal for a structure for the project to be governed by, as it's been q= uite evident, especially sine yesterday's revelation of the OMA council= 's lack of respect of the project's autonomy, by both interfering w= ith it by censoring the mailing list again, while also refusing to disclose= th details behind it, which is obviously at conflicts with the statutes re= quiring transparency of information within organization..</div><div><br></d= iv><div>I will also introduce you to Sam Spurlock, which has offered to hel= p me/us in this task, which I hope will help for a greater chance of succes= s by my attempts of pursuing everything on my own while also trying to focu= s on technical matters and the mess that is my life these days..</div><div>= <br></div><div>Symbian Flo, would you be able to use some meeting organizin= g service online to organize a meeting where everyone can rsvp and notify a= bout their best time for such a meeting?</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><= br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-23 19:32 G= MT+02:00 Symbian Flo <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:symbianflo@man= drivausers.ro" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span>= :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le= ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>AFIC everybody he= re is missing the big picture...( exempt pulfer),</div><div>the priority ai= n't no more finances, or bad choices,or whatever...=C2=A0</div><div>Hey= folks no ABF no distro, and I mean no oma or rosa...</div><div>I know , PO= K offered some hw, but let's wait for the new owner and what is up to.<= /div><div>@POK writing here is kinda lame ... if you could try to organize = a meeting </div><div>on #moondrake, since some are banned from oma ml , som= e are not even=C2=A0</div><div>in the ml and some , for some very strange r= eason don't reach oma ml anymore...</div><div>that's why my ping ye= sterday.</div><div>Or if you have some other option to meet just name it.</= div><div>For ex. I'm available all days after 19:00 ( Rome or CET)</div= ><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></= div><div>=C2=A0<br></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di= v class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-07-21 3:53 GMT+02:00 Per =C3=98yvind Karlsen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div= dir=3D"ltr">I'm sending forwarding this mail to you in expectancy of s= tepping up and join the discussion as most of you has expressed same dissat= isfaction with state of everything and support for these things.<div>So I h= ope that you guys finally will step up and make your voices heard..</div><d= iv>Some of you I included in this forward as I know you might have some int= erest on one level or another, or has the credibility and trust to chip in = and help out with this project which has become a disaster project-wise and= quality-wise..</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forward= ed message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">Per =C3=98yvin= d Karlsen</b> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" t= arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span><br>Date: 2015-07-20 20:4= 9 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Project state, future and the inevitable doom<br>To= : Cooker OpenMandriva <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br><br><br><div dir= =3D"ltr">Hi!<div><br></div><div>This is something I've been meaning to = write for a long while, and most contributors has really wanted me to bring= up..</div><div>Namely how this project since I was blocked from the projec= t that got hijacked and illegimately decided to denounce me as the project = leader,,</div><div>And the consensus of majority of contributors, while als= o ROSA has been very unsatisfied by the result (remember, we were about to = merge the two again before psychopats as Matthew Dawkins manipulated everyo= ne off-list in private and made this whole a chaos and the the perfect dist= ribution that was in the works, never materialized, which OMV Lx became a h= uge disappointment compared to,,,</div><div><br></div><div>Also, which peop= le like Kate are sincery dishonest about, is our funding and her intentions= about leaving in like three months as Leonid Reiman is pulling out...</div= ><div>With the funds OMA has, this project will only be able to cover serve= r expenses for veryvery short time now...</div><div><br></div><div>So somet= hing needs to be done,,,</div><div>I personally have a 64 core system which= outperforms the whole cluster nodes, which I'll be sponsoring the proj= ect with, while trying to see if I can get free hosting or at least a good = price on...</div><div><br></div><div>Also, as OpenMandriva Lx, and "om= .cooker" has abandoned all legacy and trademark, and become irrelevant= now, this project has no appeal to much people, stability and usage wise I= 'm not even recommending it to other...</div><div><br></div><div>So I p= ropose that I assume the project leader role again (which technically, noon= e took away from, this was handed to me by JMC himself to take responsibili= ty for, which OMA forced itself to take these away, yet I never gave them..= .</div><div>Also with OpenMandriva Lx has been a disaster what name, tradem= ark and lacking any clear goals and purposes concerns, this needs to change= .</div><div>Our history dates back almost 20 years, and is our greatest ass= etm while OMA without even consulting cooker, decided that this would be a = new project, while "om-cooker" isn''t even considered as = old cooker by those, something WE, the project, and which we made a clear s= tance on that WE controlled the project, NOT OMA which people might recall = from the grand metting back in 2013...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><= div>So given current situation, and that I know I have support from most, e= ven Rapha=C3=ABl who's has been so sorry for what happened and the mist= akes that wore, I propose taking the project leader role (as we actually st= ill lack one, I replaced Eugeni, noone replaced me) and everyone who have l= ong experience with me know that I'm just, have integrity, longest expe= rience with this project and know all of and how things works..</div><div><= br></div><div>Also with the OMV naming =C2=A0disaster, while not even recov= ered the signing key, giving the righteous rights to our cooker project, wh= ich I have in my possession,,</div><div><br></div><div>And on a related not= e, with Mandriva being liquidaed we have no legal presence in control of th= e project, the trademark loss back in 2006 is rather moot outside of France= ...</div><div><br></div><div>So in order to settle the the dispute, I'm= wanting to name the project back to Mandrake GNU/Linux (linux foundation h= as trademark on linux), while signing with the true Mandrake key in order f= or us to claim being the project (most people has started perceiving Mageia= as the true Mandrake heir, which is a total lie, they forked with descepti= ve tactics and lies, they even trying to steal our projects, claiming for t= hemself to be the true upstream for all of our software projects, which is = plainly wrong)...</div><div>Notice however, I do not want to spoil the effo= rts people has invested in OpenMandriva Lx, and as several among us has tal= ked about separating it to a subproject, with the true cooker being upstrea= m. Especially since OMV cannot be considered the same project, different si= gning key and even changing version name to 3 (over almost twenty year as a= full blown community participated project, we obviously have released tons= of past releases..)</div><div><br></div><div>So I hope that people will su= pport this, otherwise the inevitable end is near,,</div><div><br></div><div= >And pointed out above that I'll be sponsoring enterprise hardware, wit= h the current servers soon disappering I hope you all see that this is the = only way to save this project,,,</div><div><br></div><div>Would anyone prot= est against this?</div><div><br></div><div>If so, I'll be renaming moon= drake to mandrake, while still keep signing with the authentic Mandrake key= in my releases and repos,,,</div><div><br></div><div>Well, I hope at least= that I spark a discussion and brought up the severity of the situation for= people to fully understand in what distress this project actually and also= pave the ground for people to discuss problems with project and what their= unhappy with, Many people are loosing interest and stopping to contribute.= ..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sincere Regards,</div><div>Per = =C3=98yvind</div></div> </div><br></div></div> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a114fa59c1f47eb051ba5a271--