Re: About translations

2011/8/25 Marek Laane <[email protected]>:
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> 2011/8/25 <[email protected]>
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>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:45:34PM +0400, Juliette Tux wrote:
>> > > Transifex (and not SVN anymore) being only translation environment -
>> > > is good for me.
>> > Yes, seems to me that by now the only right thing we all have to do --
>> > is to center every translation effort on Mandriva Transifex ONLY
>> > As far as know, Alexander Kazancev & some other Rosa members plan to
>> > do some simple scripting for moving locales from transifex to svn, so
>> > let's wait for Alexander what he says :)
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>> I prefer using SVN - that works for me, while transiflex does not.
>> And I have some procedures with svn that makes it easier for me.
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>> Why not have both ways, if there really are some people that are
>> so happy with transifleks.
>>
>> best regards
>> keld
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> AFAIR from previous discussions, due to limitations of Transifex there were
> problems to have Transifex and SVN (correctly) synchronized if changes are
> made in both.
> Marek Laane
> Estonian translator
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>> >
>> > On 25 August 2011 21:18, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2011/8/25 Juliette Tux <[email protected]>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello everybody, my name is Julia Dronova I'm one of a new
>> > >> translators
>> > >> in Russian team. I want to say that by now the whole localization
>> > >> structure is messed, just like almost everything in Mandriva. We'll
>> > >> need some time (after releasing 2011) to decide what to do with all
>> > >> these problems and to sketch and build some good working structure
>> > >> where minimum efforts will be needed from the translators' side to
>> > >> care about upstream commiting.
>> > >> Yes the developers (in Rosa team at least) are aware of the problem
>> > >> and by now they definitely know that translators do need somebody who
>> > >> will do svn-commiting on regular basis, but my opinion on the subject
>> > >> is that we really need some engine (new or existing somewhere on
>> > >> FreshMeat, google-code etc) to automate both the translating part and
>> > >> svn-commiting just not to depend too much on developers+let them do
>> > >> their coding calmly.
>> > >>
>> > > So, is it to say ML 2011 will stay translation-wise as bad as it is
>> > > (or, as
>> > > good as it is, if you prefer that way :-) ) but there is still hope ML
>> > > 2012
>> > > (or whatever next release will be) would be better?
>> > > I have to say proposed and probably somehow working system - Transifex
>> > > (and
>> > > not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is good for me.
>> > > The
>> > > problem is more in communication; translators have to know what they
>> > > are
>> > > supposed to
>> > >
>> > > do.??https://transifex.mandriva.com/projects/p/mandriva_desktop/r/2011/ is
>> > > very good but it appeared too late. For next release I propose to make
>> > > a
>> > > "project" in Transifex as soon as possible - it makes no harm if one
>> > > would
>> > > translate something what will be removed later in development cycle;
>> > > much
>> > > more harm is done if there is no hint at all what we are supposed to
>> > > keep an
>> > > eye on, as it was now. And, of course, there has to be clear statement
>> > > who
>> > > or how has to transfer translations from Transifex into SVN.
>> > > Marek Laane
>> > > Estonian translator
>> > >>
>> > >> On 25 August 2011 20:32, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2011/8/25 <[email protected]>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > I totally agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the
>> > >> >> > http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/ is not being
>> > >> >> > synced
>> > >> >> > anymore.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > --
>> > >> >> > bedi
>> > >> >> I think, at last for old translators, that they still could use
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> commit
>> > >> >> direct to svn method, instead only transifex, actually, i prefer
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> translate
>> > >> >> direct on svn, but for new comers it may be better transifex, but
>> > >> >> true
>> > >> >> is,
>> > >> >> both
>> > >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats and transifex should work, and the
>> > >> >> translator
>> > >> >> chooses his prefered method.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> bedi
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> > Well, being "old translator", I'm surely in no way against having
>> > >> > Transifex
>> > >> > only translation environment, as it seems to be preferred method
>> > >> > now,
>> > >> > but
>> > >> > what I'm really concerned is how translations are coming back from
>> > >> > Transifex
>> > >> > to SVN - AFAIK translations for release are still taken from SVN
>> > >> > not
>> > >> > directly from Transifex. Maybe I've forgotten something but I do
>> > >> > not
>> > >> > remember any clear decision who has to do it, we, translators, or
>> > >> > somebody
>> > >> > else (mysterious translation coordinator?). Though, I seem to
>> > >> > remember,
>> > >> > it
>> > >> > was proposed to be responsibility of developers themselves but
>> > >> > looking
>> > >> > at??http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/soft/?sortby=date??I rather
>> > >> > doubt they
>> > >> > consider it or, maybe, even know it is their responsibility...
>> > >> > Marek Laane
>> > >> > Estonian translator
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Em Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <[email protected]>
>> > >> >> > escreveu:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of about
>> > >> >> >> translation
>> > >> >> >> management
>> > >> >> >> (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and
>> > >> >> >> seriously
>> > >> >> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva history for me.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> More specifically. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge
>> > >> >> >> that
>> > >> >> >> Estonian
>> > >> >> >> translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of (
>> > >> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/) showed
>> > >> >> >> translation
>> > >> >> >> at
>> > >> >> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equation, too, but sadly
>> > >> >> >> there
>> > >> >> >> is
>> > >> >> >> no
>> > >> >> >> statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which could be used as
>> > >> >> >> reference
>> > >> >> >> point, and besides I had perception SVN and Transifex are
>> > >> >> >> synchronized,
>> > >> >> >> so I
>> > >> >> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new strings which
>> > >> >> >> are not
>> > >> >> >> reflected in mentioned statistics page. So, if I saw today,
>> > >> >> >> mandriva-kde-translation has some new strings, I did go to
>> > >> >> >> Transifex
>> > >> >> >> (it
>> > >> >> >> is
>> > >> >> >> recommended now, not directly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For
>> > >> >> >> some
>> > >> >> >> peculiar
>> > >> >> >> reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really
>> > >> >> >> shocked to
>> > >> >> >> see
>> > >> >> >> many
>> > >> >> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned statistics
>> > >> >> >> page,
>> > >> >> >> and
>> > >> >> >> even more, nobody mentioned about them to the translators, e.g.
>> > >> >> >> in
>> > >> >> >> cooker-i18n list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now
>> > >> >> >> just
>> > >> >> >> hope
>> > >> >> >> they make it in ML 2011... But what I really cannot understand,
>> > >> >> >> is
>> > >> >> >> why
>> > >> >> >> nobody at Mandriva seems to care about translations anymore...
>> > >> >> >> It
>> > >> >> >> was
>> > >> >> >> bad
>> > >> >> >> for last release but now I've feeling translators and
>> > >> >> >> translations
>> > >> >> >> are
>> > >> >> >> absolutely abandoned...
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Marek Laane
>> > >> >> >> Estonian translator
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>> > >> >> > --
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I'm tired of tx problems. I'm the only Turkish translator. I have
completed remaining translations and send them to svn. When i tried to
update them on tx via web interface, tx complained that there are
errors on translations. I always checking translations with msgfmt
-vco > /dev/null command and getting no errors so far. Also i have
looked into tx translations and noticed that most of translations are
half. I mean if there is two strings translated tx translations show
only one string. Most of the time sentences were cut off. I no longer
use tx because of these silly problems and continue to use svn.