Fwd: RE: [Security Firewall] firewall
Another Happy Linux User <[email protected]> Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:26:01 -0600
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Hi, I have been a long time subscriber to this (and other Mandrake lists, - now Mandriva...), and have been a very loyal follower and supporter for some time now. Like most of you, I have also given considerable "word of mouth"advertising, as well as a number of installs, (mostly free), for new Linux/Mandrake users. Since I disagreed with the politics of the "club", I did not join, - but did offer to send funds directly, as a donation, as did many others. I see what I think, is a growing number of unhappy Mandrake/now Mandriva, users. Especially on the point of how Mandriva is treating the GPL, and free software issues. I am predicting, that the club memberships will drop off, and Mandriva will lose numerous more "followers", than just me. I am sure I am not the first to discontinue using Mandriva products. Maybe.... There will be a change of heart, and things will improve. :o) - One thing that bugs me, personally. Is it not almost exclusively, the club memberships, that saved Mandrake from bankruptcy? Given that, why are the club members, and also the beta testers *all of us* being "dumped on"? sign me: "Still hoping", Jorgen [email protected] ps attention: Florin; Please add me to the ISO list. I have a great deal of respect for the work the old team has done, especially you. I am not condemning the new team, I just don't know them. :o) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, I totally agree with the message below. I'm also one of the people that joined the club to support the development of the great products mandrake created and creates. Especially I joined the club for the MNF project. It feels really odd that mandriva sets out this new course. Greetings, Pascal -----Original Message----- From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] [mailto:security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Locke Sent: donderdag 23 juni 2005 0:28 To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] firewall Hello, Hopefully this won't drift too far off topic. Like others here, I will be sorely dissappointed if there isn't a free version released. I don't begrudge Mandriva wanting to make money off this release, and I think the new price is much more reasonable than the price for MNF1, making me much more likely to pay it. But I do think a policy of not releasing a free ISO goes against the whole spirit of Free software. Mandrake has been one of the staunchest supporters of free software, and that's why I've become such a big fan. I do pay for it, too--I've been a Mandrake Club member for two years now. I think the division between the download and powerpack editions, and advance availability for club members is reasonable. Why should the MNF2 be treated differently? Will Mandriva, now that it's no longer Mandrake, continue its level of commitment to free software? So far I've installed MNF (different versions) at two different clients. I do not charge for the software--only the service of installing it. And in my business, I have a policy of contributing 10% of my profits back to the open source software used in my solutions. But since I service primarily small businesses, with small budgets, nearly $2000 USD for licensing is nowhere near reasonable. $500 is much more in the range--though I can purchase a WatchGuard Firebox, a completely proprietary firewall in its own appliance, for less. By the time you add my services, it becomes a hard sell to my small business clients. I think Mandriva should make a free version available, especially to members of this list and those who have been proponents for so long. I think they should also have some online payment location where I can pay an amount of my choosing. I'm much more likely to pay in the $100 to $200 range for each place I install it, rather than $500--If I need to charge enough to cover that, I'll be deploying a lot more Smoothwalls. Cutting off the open source community, though, and strong-arming us in this way doesn't seem like an advisable business move to me... Cheers, -- John Locke "Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems" published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Minuco delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further infomation visit http://www.minuco.com or alternatively mail [email protected] -------------------------------------------------------
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD></HEAD> <BODY> <!-- MAILMAN BRAND MARKER --> <TABLE width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign="top"> <DIV align="left"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Same here. I joined the club over 2 years ago to show my support to Mandrake</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">at a very difficult time in their history. Without the club they would have</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">gone bust. It would be nice for them to show their commitment and thanks to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">club members for their support by making a torrent for MNF2 available to</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">club members. I for one will not renew our pretty expensive corporate level</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">subscription if Mandriva stops making things available to members. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Mandriva has every right to make money from their hard work, but if they are</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">going to charge for club membership then they need to accept and support</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">that model of business.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">-----Original Message-----</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: Pascal Krijnberg [mailto:[email protected]] </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: 28 June 2005 20:07</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: <a href="mailto:[email protected]">security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]</a></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: RE: [Security Firewall] firewall</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I totally agree with the message below. I'm also one of the people that</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">joined the club to support the development of the great products mandrake</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">created and creates. Especially I joined the club for the MNF project. It</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">feels really odd that mandriva sets out this new course.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Greetings,</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Pascal</font></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">-----Original Message-----</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: <a href="mailto:security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]">security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]</a></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Locke</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: donderdag 23 juni 2005 0:28</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: <a href="mailto:[email protected]">security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]</a></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] firewall</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello,</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hopefully this won't drift too far off topic. Like others here, I will be</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">sorely dissappointed if there isn't a free version released. I don't</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">begrudge Mandriva wanting to make money off this release, and I think the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">new price is much more reasonable than the price for MNF1, making me much</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">more likely to pay it. But I do think a policy of not releasing a free ISO</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">goes against the whole spirit of Free software.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Mandrake has been one of the staunchest supporters of free software, and</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">that's why I've become such a big fan. I do pay for it, too--I've been a</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Mandrake Club member for two years now. I think the division between the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">download and powerpack editions, and advance availability for club members</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">is reasonable.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Why should the MNF2 be treated differently? Will Mandriva, now that it's no</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">longer Mandrake, continue its level of commitment to free software?</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">So far I've installed MNF (different versions) at two different clients. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I do not charge for the software--only the service of installing it. And in</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">my business, I have a policy of contributing 10% of my profits back to the</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">open source software used in my solutions. But since I service primarily</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">small businesses, with small budgets, nearly $2000 USD for licensing is</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">nowhere near reasonable. $500 is much more in the range--though I can</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">purchase a WatchGuard Firebox, a completely proprietary firewall in its own</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">appliance, for less. By the time you add my services, it becomes a hard sell</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">to my small business clients.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think Mandriva should make a free version available, especially to members</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">of this list and those who have been proponents for so long. I think they</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">should also have some online payment location where I can pay an amount of</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">my choosing. I'm much more likely to pay in the $100 to $200 range for each</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">place I install it, rather than $500--If I need to charge enough to cover</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">that, I'll be deploying a lot more Smoothwalls.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cutting off the open source community, though, and strong-arming us in this</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">way doesn't seem like an advisable business move to me...</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">--</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">John Locke</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">"Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems"</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">published by Charles River Media, June 2004 <a href="http://www.freelock.com">http://www.freelock.com</a></font></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">_____________________________________________________________________</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This message has been checked for all known viruses by Minuco delivered</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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