RE: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Whilst I totally agree that Mandiva has a right to exploit the MNF 2
product, I do feel this email is a bit harsh. A lot of people, including
myself, have given an awful lot of free testing time to Mandriva. Without us
the product would not be anywhere near where it is today.
Also, as a paid up member of the Mandriva Club, which saved you from going
bust, I would have hoped that a Club edition of MNF 2 could have been made
available. You are making revenue from the club and it would be nice to pay
back the members. Let's face it you are not going to lose many corprate
sales. Not many companies are going to buy MNF 2 on the cheap as a firewall
is totally mission critical. 
Please support your club members as they have supported you.

My 2 pence.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 03 August 2005 04:41
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall


On 2-Aug-05, at 8:18 PM, Steven Lim wrote:

> okay... So, where shall we start from ?

Start with a mailing list.  Seriously guys, I have no problem with you
wanting to take Mandriva's hard work and invested man hours, wages, and
research to run off and start your own copy-cat distro and rob Mandriva of
their well-earned work... that is the spirit of open source and GPL'd
software these days, so its entirely your right.

But, out of respect for the people that you're taking advantage of, could
you discuss the competing product somewhere other than the support and
discussion list for the product you plan to use without paying for?  I mean,
really, it seems odd that this is a list to discuss MNF but all you want to
talk about out is a) how unfair it is that they're not giving it away, b)
how you all want free copies of the MNF ISOs because you lurk on a mailing
list, and c) how you now want to check it out of CVS, strip out all
reference to Mandriva, and use it gratis.  I don't think it's appropriate to
discuss that kind of thing on *this* mailing list.

I've heard people offer to setup websites and subversion repositories and
stuff, but you can start with just a plain old mailing list while you hatch
your plot?  I'm sure it's insulting enough to Mandriva to hear about how you
all love MNF but just don't feel like paying for the hard work invested, but
to add injury to the insult, you're using Mandriva's infrastructure to
discuss a fork.

Maybe this list could be used for what it was intended, and everyone who
feels that they've earned the fruit of the labour without paying for the
harvest can do so elsewhere.

My $0.02CAD.  I don't really care that you're doing what you're doing, or at
least planning to, but I think a little bit of respect is deserved and this
is pretty disrespectful.

> > Shade wrote:
>
>
>
> >> As long as the goal of what MNF is supposed to be doesn't
> change, I'm
>
> >> all for it. I have always felt that the objective of the MNF  
> project
>
> >> was to produce an enterprise level firewall using strictly Open  
> Source
>
> >> technologies. There are literally hundreds of Open Source firewalls
>
> >> designed for small or home networks. However, once you get into  
> some
>
> >> of the more detailed rulesets and filters required to handle  
> something
>
> >> on a much larger scale, I've found that few (if any) compare to  
> MNF's
>
> >> capabilities combined with its ease of administration. I've always
>
> >> liked the fact that I could pass on basic firewall rule changes  
> to a
>
> >> junior tech with no Linux experience (but not to an MCSE, of
>
> >> course).... :)
>
>
>
> > For me, the killer features of MNF (1) have been the ability to
>
> > (relatively) easily manage multiple WAN IP addresses, and relatively
>
> > granular firewall rules. Of course, with MNF 1, I had to add the NIC
>
> > aliases manually, but everything else has worked through the web  
> interface.
>
>
>
> > MNF2 has me practically drooling over these key features:
>
>
>
> > * ability to manage NIC aliases in the web interface
>
> > * ability to create any arbitrary number of zones, including wifi  
> and dmz
>
> > * built-in OpenVPN 2.0, and built-in certificate manager (not yet
>
> > deployed, I'm still running the February beta)
>
> > * traffic shaping, to prioritize VoIP and de-prioritize BitTorrent
>
> > (haven't yet deployed a working version of this, though)
>
> > * urpmi for keeping up-to-date.
>
>
>
> > This last point suggests keeping it based on Mandriva, but there are
>
> > certainly lots of alternatives.
>
>
>
> > How about we call it "Florin's Firewall?" ;-)
>
>
>
>


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