RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

All this talk about free firewall, so I just thought I'd chime in here. I finally convinced my company to purchase a full version of the MNF corporate firewall. I had the unfortunate timing of purchasing just before Mandrake was no more. My incident postings on the paid support site were ignored for days, and then given a canned responses that were of no use. I even tried the tech support telephone number. It was unanswered, and my telephone messages were not returned. The telephone number has subsequently been disconnected. I would think I would be due a free copy of the new firewall, but when I called ordering I got a sorry I can't do that. This has left a bad taste, and my company and I are done with M-whatever for now. I doubt I will be able to convince them to try again, and I don't blame them.

Steve

P.S. Sorry about the HTML, I have to use webmail today : (

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From: Glen Ansley
Sent: Wed 03-Aug-05 04:13 PM
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Children, children, calm down.

Vincent (on behalf of Mandriva), has every right to ask that discussions of another firewall be taken elsewhere. Lets just put that one to rest right now!

I mean no offence here Vincent, but to us, Florin DOES = firewall god.

Why? He was the only one from MANDRAKE (notice I said Mandrake not Mandriva) to consistently listen to us and help us out with our respective installs/problems. You will see that Florins posts feature heavily on this list!

I don't want any discussion on this, I've said what I had to say - lets put this one to rest also!

As the original instigator of this discussion, I am wishing I hadn't brought this up now. I do apologise for my obvious poor judgement on this matter.

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From: [email protected] on behalf of Vincent Danen
Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 07:19
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

On 3-Aug-05, at 11:30 AM, Carl A Jeptha wrote:

> It appears that Mandriva, is trying to take back it's list,
> products and all other things.

Trying to take back? No. It just seems odd to me that everyone is
discussing forking MNF on the MNF mailing list. As I said, I don't
really care what you do... it's all open source, and you're freely
available to do what you like with it. But I think it's rude to
discuss that proposition on the list of the product you're planning
to fork.

The decision has been made, a consensus informally reached, and
someone asked what the next step should be. I respectfully asked
that the next step should be a separate mailing list to discuss what
to do with it... nothing more.

Look, this isn't a new scenario. I was dissatisfied with Corporate
Server to do what I wanted, so over a year and a half ago I took the
Mandrake 9.2 base and forked it to start a self-propelled project
called Annvix. Out of respect for Mandriva, I do not discuss Annvix
on any of the mailing lists, and I don't include more normal Annvix-
ad signature on a Mandriva mailing list. This is not because I'm
trying to hide what I'm doing, and Annvix is far less competition to
a Mandriva project than "Florin's Firewall" would be. I do this out
of respect for the fact that Annvix is *not* a Mandriva product or
project, and it shouldn't be discussed on their lists. Anyone who
wants to discuss Annvix is asked to either subscribe to the Annvix
mailing lists or to email me directly.

This isn't tyranny, this isn't about taking a list back, this isn't
about taking a product back, this is all about one thing: respect.

> Now I have not paid for a firewall yet, but was considering it,
> (but I do own other versions) as I wanted support for my ISP
> company and a couple of commercial sites that I supply support to.
> But this is my last message as I will be unsubscribing tomorrow.

Why? I don't understand what I said that made everyone so upset.
You folks were discussing forking the product. Are you upset because
I asked you to move it somewhere else? Would it have been better if
I put on my moderator hat and said discussing the fork was off
topic? Either way, *all* I did was ask you to talk about it
elsewhere. I didn't ask you to stop, I didn't rant and scream, I
didn't demand anything. I just asked you to, out of respect for the
company you're planning to fork a product from, to discuss it
somewhere else. There might be people here who actually want to
discuss *MNF* and not "Florin's Firewall". Why are you so offended
because I asked you to move the discussion?

> This means that all samba servers and demo workstations will be
> replaced, because you see, Vincent there is more to Mandriva than
> it's firewall, but you have shown a direction that Mandrake
> (Mandriva) is taking, which is the Microsoft route. I have owned a
> copy of Mandrake since the last decade, but will now change direction.

Huh? How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route? I'm
completely lost. Did we threaten to sue anyone? Are we telling you
to stop? Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it? Absolutely
not! I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you people
have utterly lost all common sense! Comparing my asking you to move
discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics? Excuse me? That's
the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard! Don't you
think you're over-reacting a little bit?

And absolutely there is more to Mandriva than just the firewall,
which is why I'm confused as to why everyone thinks we should be
giving it away for free. We give the desktop version of Mandriva
away for free. We make the CVS available for MNF... you'll notice
it's not hidden, it's not locked away, it's not out of the public's
hands. Which is another reason I'm insulted you compare us to
Microsoft. But despite all of this, and all we do, it seems like
it's not enough. You get upset because we don't give you the final
product with a bowtie and silver plate? Come on... if you want the
fancy wrapping, you need to pay for it. But there's nothing stopping
you from getting your hands dirty and compiling a few things out of
CVS is there? Absolutely not.

> I have noticed that all this has happened since the company name
> change.

I hate to say it, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you're
reading far too much into what's happening. Conspiracy theorist
perhaps?

> So to all the lurkers it was great while it lasted,
>
> You have a Good Day now,

You too, Carl, but I must admit that I am completely and utterly
confused by not only your attitude and threats, but by your entire
rational. It absolutely does not make sense to me.

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