RE: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Thank you for your kind attention.  I joined the Mandrake club to get the
free copies of MNF distro (we used Caldera at the time in the lab), and then
found that I could get Mandrake Linux so we switched to that.  

But, hey you are entitled to do whatever you want to whomever you want just
don't expect them to turn into loyal customers.  I recommended your product
because it was free and explained that the support was what you paid for.  I
switched all my classroom stuff over to it "because it was free" for no
other reason.  

I personally think your emails are rude but that is just me and you are
entitled to be as rude as you like as well.

I enjoyed mandrake and MNF but I am sure I will find something else to teach
students in my classes (I always have) as the product is simply not worth
700$ to me personally.  Good luck with your venture and I hope you find the
market you are looking for.

As for everyone else out there.  I would say, just shut down the board and
let them have it for their corporate customers who I am sure are lining up
to pay the fees even as we speak.  As for me, I am switching to another
linux distro and if anyone has a good firewall recommendation let me know.

So long,

Doug White
-----Original Message-----
From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
[mailto:security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent
Danen
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:47 AM
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall


On 3-Aug-05, at 6:10 AM, Doug White wrote:

> I concur.  Some of us started using this product because I have NO  
> budget.
> I don't' mean it's tight, I mean if I want to use this in my  
> classes, I have
> to pay for it out of my pocket.  Mandrake set up a product we could  
> use.  I
> spent my own money to join the club so I could get the distros for my
> students. Then all of a sudden... I owe 700+ dollars if I want to  
> use it
> this fall.

You joined the Club to get the desktop Mandriva Linux.  You didn't  
join to get MNF.  Please point me to where it ever indicated that MNF  
would be provided to Club members.  If it was indicated and Mandriva  
reneged on it, then my apologies.  If you're simply assuming that  
because you're a Club member you're entitled to a free copy of  
everything Mandriva produces, well, that's a whole different story I  
guess.

> Some of us feel your snide attitude and comments towards us, is a  
> bit nasty.
> I don't just lurk, I paid the membership fee.  But don't worry, I  
> will soon
> find some other product to teach my students and if I ever get the  
> grant to
> pay for it, you can bet it won't be your product I will buy.

Snide attitude?  I was polite!  But I also said exactly what you're  
doing.  Are you not doing exactly what I said?  Please tell me what  
part of what I wrote was wrong.  You also paid a membership for  
Mandriva Linux.. that's what the Club is for.  Or, like Neill, are  
you a member of Corporate Club?  I suppose members of Corporate Club  
could receive some sort of discount.  Maybe they do.  I'm pretty sure  
that getting a free copy of MNF was never explicitly granted when you  
signed up for the membership for Corp Club tho.... kinda like how it  
was never even implied for members of the normal Club.

I also find it funny that you threaten not paying for the product if  
you get the grant, but by the sounds of things you never intended to  
pay in the first place and I'm sure that once you had a copy of  
Florin's Firewall to teach your students, you'd spend the money on  
something else anyways, so that's a bit of a hollow threat, no?

> Have a nice corporate existence and adieu.
>
> Please unsubscribe.

Sympa told you how to do that when you first subscribed.  Not too  
terribly difficult.

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