RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

UNSUBSCRIBE

REMOVE

QUIT DRAMA 

 

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From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
[mailto:security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glen
Ansley
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:13 PM
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

 

Answering my own questions - this must be bad :)

 

Sorry guys, I forgot this was discussed at some length on Thu Jan 30,
2003 at 02:22:58AM.

Which you (Vincent Dean) wrote:

 

<snip>

AFAIK, there are not two versions of MNF.  There isn't the "commercial"
version and the "freebie" version.  They are both one and the same.
What you get with purchasing MNF is support (ie. phone support),
priority updates, a manual, pressed CDs, etc.  This isn't crippled
software.  It's exactly what you would get if you didn't pay for it...
which you haven't.

You don't get a manual, you don't get pressed CDs, you don't get phone
support.  You don't get access to the private FTP server.  You have
*exactly* what a commercial entity would have, should they have paid
for it.  The software is the same.  The web interface is the same.
*Everything* is the same.  The difference is, you don't get the
manuals, support, etc.

<snip>

 

Maybe that's where everyone thought that MNF was free?

 

My 3.14159265 cents worth :)

 

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From: Glen Ansley
Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 10:56
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

OK, I'll bite :)

 

SNF WAS free but the automatic web - front end upgrade option was not
released with the "Free" version (and you didn't get official support
from Mandrake).

I believe it's documented in this list somewhere (about SNF) and USED to
be documented on Mandrakes site.  I will endeavour to dig up the
relevant posts if I can be bothered later on :)  -  To prempt your
question, yes, I have kept ALL posts since I joined this Mailing List!
:)

A quick scan showed that it was lightly refered as free on Thu,
29/01/2003 @ 10:41:26AM.

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On Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 10:41:26AM -0800, Patrick Usher wrote:

> Seems silly for people to complain about the service
> for a free product.... but Oh well.

No doubt.

> Thanx for the link V.... very helpful.

You're welcome.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong but, this was to be the same for what was
the successor to SNF (now MNF).

 

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From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] on behalf of Vincent
Danen
Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 09:00
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

 

On 3-Aug-05, at 2:14 PM, Repairman wrote:

>> Huh?  How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route?  I'm
>> completely lost.  Did we threaten to sue anyone?  Are we telling you
>> to stop?  Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it?  Absolutely
>> not!  I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you people
>> have utterly lost all common sense!  Comparing my asking you to move
>> discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics?  Excuse me?  That's
>> the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard!  Don't you
>> think you're over-reacting a little bit?
>>
>
> The "Microsoft route" reffered to is that in the beginning of MS, 
> they did everything they could to give information to the 
> programmers and end users about their O/S. (A pre-Opensource way of 
> doing business).  Unlike Apple, there was no red tape or hoops you 
> had to jump through. And they became the dominate O/S for this 
> reason. Now they are worse than Apple ever was.
>
> We helped take Mandrake out of bankrupsy and back on it's feet. I'm 
> not going to list everything that I personally have done, but now 
> they have decided to abandon what worked to get them there.
>
> Sounds like the MS route to me.

I still don't get it.  Not once was MNF ever to be given away for 
free.  SNF wasn't, MNF8.2 wasn't, what made everyone think that MNF2 
was any different.

We haven't abandoned anything, we haven't done anything sneaky, we 
haven't robbed you of anything.  We did exactly what we set out to do 
which was to create an enterprise firewall product.  Nothing has 
changed on our end.  Your perception of things seems to have changed 
over time, but I don't understand why.

Did I miss something?  Was everyone told that MNF2 was supposed to be 
free when the betas started rolling and then we snatched it away and 
went back on our word?

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