Moderator Warning: Kill This Thread (Was: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall)

On 3-Aug-05, at 7:30 PM, Doug White wrote:

> Ok, here are my two bob for Vincent and all the Mandrivites:
>
> You obviously cannot help being rude and defensive (hey it's the IT  
> way) so
> why not just drop all this pretext of justification and admit it,  
> you are
> selling the product, the product is for sale. It is NOT FREE, It is  
> not for
> use by most of us supposed home users, it is for corporations to  
> use for the
> betterment of all humankind, if they can afford it.  The End.   
> Vincent, Put

Yes, you are absolutely right on all counts, except for the pretext  
of justification.  I haven't justified a thing.

The product is for sale, the product is not free, it was not intended  
for home use, the target audience is the enterprise and corporations.

And FYI, I may been rude to some extent, but I was never defensive.   
I was merely asking questions and trying to understand why it is that  
you all feel the way you do.

> on your moderator hat and dump the rest of it and let this mailing  
> list calm
> down.  The more defensive and nasty you get, the more replies are  
> going to
> be generated and and so on ad. Infintitum it's not going to change.

The moderator cap is on.  I'd like to, in my official capacity as  
reluctant list moderator, indicate that this thread is over and if  
you'd like to flame me or call me rude in private, please do.  I  
won't reply, but I'll have a good chuckle, so keep them coming.  You  
may even send them to my mandriva.com address, from which I am  
posting for the first time and as such I can say right now that I am  
a representative of this company for the first time in this thread.

Please folks, we'll all disagree for the most part, but let's agree  
to keep this thread dead and OT.  Like I said, feel free to flame me  
and whatnot in private, just not on the list.

> We are obviously not going to convince you we are right and get to  
> keep
> using MNF (so just give it up guys).  And I/we are not going to  
> convince
> Mandriva that some of us adopted the product because it was  
> available free
> and we didn't need the support etc.  If you write to Vincent, he  
> and his
> people will just keep sending back nasty, trite, replies.

Nope, you won't convince me you're right, but you don't have to.  You  
absolutely don't have to justify yourselves to me.

However, on the same token, I have made management aware of this  
thread and have made some recommendations to them.  I don't want to  
indicate what those recommendations are because I don't know if they  
will go for it or not but there are two things weighing in here in  
your favour:

1) There's a 50% chance they'll listen to me (amazingly enough, it  
has happened the odd time in the past)
2) There's a 50% chance they'll listen to you (probably higher, but  
let's be conservative... we often do listen to the community)

Now, if they do go for my recommendations, there should be a fair  
amount of happy people.  If they don't, well, you're no worse off  
than you are now.  Suffice it to say, *I* listen and although it's  
not *my* responsibility to be the voice of the community to  
management, I have done so.  Think of me what you will.

/me the reluctant security-firewall and voice of the MNF2 community

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