Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

oh but there is a support team in place ... it's just that this ml was
a lot faster than the official support ... beause they have to deal
with more products, that's all ...

On 8/4/05, Steve Chicatelli <stevec-/[email protected]> wrote:
> You hadn't reappeared yet here after leaving Mandrake.  I would have tried to contact you, but it certainly had nothing to do with you either.  I just think it was poor of Mandrake to sell something when they new they didn't have the support team in place.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> [mailto:security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]]On Behalf Of florin
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:00 AM
> To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> sorry for this inconvenience ... yuo should have contacted me, in
> private, simply to let me know that you did not get the right answers
> to your problems ... but I understand it's a bit late now ...
> 
> On 8/3/05, Steve Chicatelli <stevec-/[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All this talk about free firewall, so I just thought I'd chime in here.  I
> > finally convinced my company to purchase a full version of the MNF corporate
> > firewall.  I had the unfortunate timing of purchasing just before Mandrake
> > was no more.  My incident postings on the paid support site were ignored for
> > days, and then given a canned responses that were of no use.  I even tried
> > the tech support telephone number.  It was unanswered, and my telephone
> > messages were not returned.  The telephone number has subsequently been
> > disconnected.  I would think I would be due a free copy of the new firewall,
> > but when I called ordering I got a sorry I can't do that.  This has left a
> > bad taste, and my company and I are done with M-whatever for now.  I doubt I
> > will be able to convince them to try again, and I don't blame them.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > P.S. Sorry about the HTML, I have to use webmail today : (
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: Glen Ansley
> > Sent: Wed 03-Aug-05 04:13 PM
> > To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Children, children, calm down.
> >
> > Vincent (on behalf of Mandriva), has every right to ask that discussions of
> > another firewall be taken elsewhere.  Lets just put that one to rest right
> > now!
> >
> > I mean no offence here Vincent, but to us, Florin DOES = firewall god.
> > Why?  He was the only one from MANDRAKE (notice I said Mandrake not
> > Mandriva) to consistently listen to us and help us out with our respective
> > installs/problems.  You will see that Florins posts feature heavily on this
> > list!
> > I don't want any discussion on this, I've said what I had to say - lets put
> > this one to rest also!
> >
> > As the original instigator of this discussion, I am wishing I hadn't brought
> > this up now.  I do apologise for my obvious poor judgement on this matter.
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] on behalf
> > of Vincent Danen
> > Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 07:19
> > To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3-Aug-05, at 11:30 AM, Carl A Jeptha wrote:
> >
> > > It appears that Mandriva, is trying to take back it's list,
> > > products and all other things.
> >
> > Trying to take back?  No.  It just seems odd to me that everyone is
> > discussing forking MNF on the MNF mailing list.  As I said, I don't
> > really care what you do... it's all open source, and you're freely
> > available to do what you like with it.  But I think it's rude to
> > discuss that proposition on the list of the product you're planning
> > to fork.
> >
> > The decision has been made, a consensus informally reached, and
> > someone asked what the next step should be.  I respectfully asked
> > that the next step should be a separate mailing list to discuss what
> > to do with it... nothing more.
> >
> > Look, this isn't a new scenario.  I was dissatisfied with Corporate
> > Server to do what I wanted, so over a year and a half ago I took the
> > Mandrake 9.2 base and forked it to start a self-propelled project
> > called Annvix.  Out of respect for Mandriva, I do not discuss Annvix
> > on any of the mailing lists, and I don't include more normal Annvix-
> > ad signature on a Mandriva mailing list.  This is not because I'm
> > trying to hide what I'm doing, and Annvix is far less competition to
> > a Mandriva project than "Florin's Firewall" would be.  I do this out
> > of respect for the fact that Annvix is *not* a Mandriva product or
> > project, and it shouldn't be discussed on their lists.  Anyone who
> > wants to discuss Annvix is asked to either subscribe to the Annvix
> > mailing lists or to email me directly.
> >
> > This isn't tyranny, this isn't about taking a list back, this isn't
> > about taking a product back, this is all about one thing: respect.
> >
> > > Now I have not paid for a firewall yet, but was considering it,
> > > (but I do own other versions) as I wanted support for my ISP
> > > company and a couple of commercial sites that I supply support to.
> > > But this is my last message as I will be unsubscribing tomorrow.
> >
> > Why?  I don't understand what I said that made everyone so upset.
> > You folks were discussing forking the product.  Are you upset because
> > I asked you to move it somewhere else?  Would it have been better if
> > I put on my moderator hat and said discussing the fork was off
> > topic?  Either way, *all* I did was ask you to talk about it
> > elsewhere.  I didn't ask you to stop, I didn't rant and scream, I
> > didn't demand anything.  I just asked you to, out of respect for the
> > company you're planning to fork a product from, to discuss it
> > somewhere else.  There might be people here who actually want to
> > discuss *MNF* and not "Florin's Firewall".  Why are you so offended
> > because I asked you to move the discussion?
> >
> > > This means that all samba servers and demo workstations will be
> > > replaced, because you see, Vincent there is more to Mandriva than
> > > it's firewall, but you have shown a direction that Mandrake
> > > (Mandriva) is taking, which is the Microsoft route. I have owned a
> > > copy of Mandrake since the last decade, but will now change direction.
> >
> > Huh?  How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route?  I'm
> > completely lost.  Did we threaten to sue anyone?  Are we telling you
> > to stop?  Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it?  Absolutely
> > not!  I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you people
> > have utterly lost all common sense!  Comparing my asking you to move
> > discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics?  Excuse me?  That's
> > the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard!  Don't you
> > think you're over-reacting a little bit?
> >
> > And absolutely there is more to Mandriva than just the firewall,
> > which is why I'm confused as to why everyone thinks we should be
> > giving it away for free.  We give the desktop version of Mandriva
> > away for free.  We make the CVS available for MNF... you'll notice
> > it's not hidden, it's not locked away, it's not out of the public's
> > hands.  Which is another reason I'm insulted you compare us to
> > Microsoft.  But despite all of this, and all we do, it seems like
> > it's not enough.  You get upset because we don't give you the final
> > product with a bowtie and silver plate?  Come on... if you want the
> > fancy wrapping, you need to pay for it.  But there's nothing stopping
> > you from getting your hands dirty and compiling a few things out of
> > CVS is there?  Absolutely not.
> >
> > > I have noticed that all this has happened since the company name
> > > change.
> >
> > I hate to say it, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you're
> > reading far too much into what's happening.  Conspiracy theorist
> > perhaps?
> >
> > > So to all the lurkers it was great while it lasted,
> > >
> > > You have a Good Day now,
> >
> > You too, Carl, but I must admit that I am completely and utterly
> > confused by not only your attitude and threats, but by your entire
> > rational.  It absolutely does not make sense to me.
> >
> > --
> > "lynx -source http://linsec.ca/vdanen.asc | gpg --import"
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> >
> >
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