RE: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Yes, there was definitely was a download version of MNF8.2. This is how
Mandrake used to work. Paid for support, or download edition.
Its how I got started with MNF. As I was so impressed with it it became the
firewall I recommended to clients generating at least 4 sales for Mandrake.
People WILL pay for a firewall because they want the support of such a
business critical application. I think you may be getting a little confused
on your target audience. I disagree that in MNF2's case only 10% of people
will pay for it. No sane company of any size if going to run their business
with a free downloaded firewall. Mandriva's target market, i.e. companies,
will pay. This is where Mandriva will make their money. 
Worrying about less than 40 people (and that's how many people actually
asked to be put on the download list) is just plain crazy. This is a tiny
and very specific newsgroup.
If Mandriva is still worried then they should ut in some sort of trial
expiry scheme. Because lets face it, without this protection as soon as a
MNF2 iso gets onto emule or similar there will be free copies for anyone who
wants it for free.

I say persue your target market and cut the members of this newsgroup some
slack. The effect on corporate sales will be insignificant. Plus, like me
originally, you may impress people enough to buy it and recommend it. Free
advertising for a little known product will do you the world of good.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Danen [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 04 August 2005 01:47
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall


On 3-Aug-05, at 4:56 PM, Glen Ansley wrote:

> OK, I'll bite :)
>
> SNF WAS free but the automatic web - front end upgrade option was not 
> released with the "Free" version (and you didn't get official support 
> from Mandrake).

Was MNF8.2 free as well?  Take out your magic archiver system and tell me
that too.  I'd really be interested to know and frankly, I know next to
nothing about MNF (I don't particularly like it, and I don't use it).

> I believe it's documented in this list somewhere (about SNF) and USED 
> to be documented on Mandrakes site.  I will endeavour to dig up the 
> relevant posts if I can be bothered later on :)  -  To prempt your 
> question, yes, I have kept ALL posts since I joined
> this Mailing List!    :)
> A quick scan showed that it was lightly refered as free on Thu,
> 29/01/2003 @ 10:41:26AM.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> On Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 10:41:26AM -0800, Patrick Usher wrote:
>
>
>> Seems silly for people to complain about the service for a free 
>> product.... but Oh well.
>>
>
> No doubt.
>
>
>> Thanx for the link V.... very helpful.
>>
>
> You're welcome.
>
> <snip>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong but, this was to be the same for what 
> was the successor to SNF (now MNF).
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: security-firewall-owner-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected] on behalf of Vincent 
> Danen
> Sent: Thu 4/08/2005 09:00
> To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall
>
>
>
>
> On 3-Aug-05, at 2:14 PM, Repairman wrote:
>
>
>>> Huh?  How do you figure we're taking a Microsoft route?  I'm 
>>> completely lost.  Did we threaten to sue anyone?  Are we telling you 
>>> to stop?  Are we asking you to pay a fee to fork it?  Absolutely 
>>> not!  I asked for one simple thing and as a result some of you 
>>> people have utterly lost all common sense!  Comparing my asking you 
>>> to move discussion to another list to Microsoft tactics?  Excuse me?  
>>> That's the most insane thing I think I've possibly ever heard!  
>>> Don't you think you're over-reacting a little bit?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The "Microsoft route" reffered to is that in the beginning of MS, 
>> they did everything they could to give information to the programmers 
>> and end users about their O/S. (A pre-Opensource way of doing 
>> business).  Unlike Apple, there was no red tape or hoops you had to 
>> jump through. And they became the dominate O/S for this reason. Now 
>> they are worse than Apple ever was.
>>
>> We helped take Mandrake out of bankrupsy and back on it's feet. I'm 
>> not going to list everything that I personally have done, but now 
>> they have decided to abandon what worked to get them there.
>>
>> Sounds like the MS route to me.
>>
>
> I still don't get it.  Not once was MNF ever to be given away for 
> free.  SNF wasn't, MNF8.2 wasn't, what made everyone think that MNF2 
> was any different.
>
> We haven't abandoned anything, we haven't done anything sneaky, we 
> haven't robbed you of anything.  We did exactly what we set out to do 
> which was to create an enterprise firewall product.  Nothing has 
> changed on our end.  Your perception of things seems to have changed 
> over time, but I don't understand why.
>
> Did I miss something?  Was everyone told that MNF2 was supposed to be 
> free when the betas started rolling and then we snatched it away and 
> went back on our word?
>
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