Re: [Security Firewall] Re: MNF Licence

How do you unsubscribe from this drivel?

I am tired of flames from Mandriva (who, then after really nasty 
responses (not that they are like Microsoft in their avoidance, question 
ducking, denials, defences, et. al.)).

I think if Vincent and others could learn to respond in civil manners, 
even when the questions are obnoxious, they would have less flaming and 
accusations.  I suggest, as a professional consultant, that Mandriva, 
appoint someone trained in support to deal with users rather than 
allowing blustering, defence oriented developers to continually flame 
users.

The reason it turns into threats Vincent, is that you reply to people in 
really nasty ways that makes them angry.  Your replies to these guys 
make me angry and I didn't even write the question in the first place.  
For a company that claims they are not acting like microsoft and hiding 
behind minutea and misdirection, it certainly sounds a lot like the kind 
of thing you see from Microsoft all the time.  The big difference is 
that usually companies are running about 50%+ of market share before 
they decide to alienate everyone since they "know what is best" and "hey 
we're just trying to make an honest living here so piss off" and all the 
usual excuses for overpriced products and obnoxious customer lack of 
service issues.

Listen Mandriva Major League Corporate Flak Types, you need to get your 
developers off the postings and put your Spin Control Consultants (you 
do have spin control consultants now that you are a big time corporate 
operation don't you) on this.

If you will remind me how to get off the list, I will and gladly.  I am 
tired of the flames on all sides.



Vincent Danen wrote:

>
> On 15-Aug-05, at 3:44 AM, Dieter Schütze wrote:
>
>>> Please don't try to pull the "GPL violation" wildcard if you don't
>>> understand how the GPL works.
>>>
>>
>> Oh Vincent,
>> if i put all the GPL based packages from MNF2.0 on my ftp server that
>> all people can download it for free you can do nothing.
>> This is what i can do with GPL packages. And if you go on i will do  
>> this.
>
>
> Ok, sure, threaten and bluster all you like.  Why does it always come  
> down to threats?
>
> You're right, you can do this and no one can stop you.  That's the  
> beauty of the GPL.  But you completely avoided what I wrote and  
> you're changing the topic.  We weren't talking about re-distributing  
> MNF2.  We were talking about security updates and you were implying  
> we were in violation of the GPL by not making updates available to  
> everyone.  Why did you cut all of that out and respond to the one thing?
>
> I don't feel like, nor did I intend, to start a fight.  It looks like  
> you were out for blood when you started posting.  =(
>
> I responded, explicitly, to your concerns and now you change the  
> subject and then start threatening to give it away for free?  Nice.
>
>> Why don't you answer on realy good questions like this from Neil:
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> I cannot see how they managed to
>> release it with only a few further months of in house testing.
>> I would be interested to hear how Mandriva did test this product. What
>> methodoloy they used, how many combinations of install etc.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I think many people want to know this.
>
>
> Because I can't?  Why would I possibly answer something I have no  
> ideas about?  Unless you'd like me to fabricate a complete bogus  
> response?  Would you like that?  Since when was I involved with MNF,  
> even for QA?  I'm not a MNF developer, and I'm certainly not QA.  I  
> can't answer this, so why would I try?
>
>> It is also very interesting to see that the secutity discuss Archiv
>> stops at 2005-04
>>
>> Why ?
>> There are very interesting postings from you in 2005-05 ;-)
>
>
> What in the hell does this have to do with the GPL?!?
>
> As for why the archives stop, I have no idea.  The most likely answer  
> is sympa sucks, it unsubscribed the archiver robot, and no one  
> bothered to say anything when they noticed, so it never got fixed.
>
> I still fail to see how *any* of this has anything to do with  
> Mandriva apparently being in violation of the GPL because we're not  
> making MNF updates publically available.
>

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