Re: [Security Firewall] Re: MNF Licence

Thank you for your kind words Vincent. 

I'm afraid that the MandrakeSoft/Mandriva terrible communication
around the changing of the new MNF2 policy and the frustration
generated about that to this ML can be the source of this people
overeaction by reading your answers.

I'm sure no one has anything against you, they simply feel abandoned.
I must admit that I would feel the same in their place. After all, a
Linux distro and especially a ML lifes depend on the communication to
the users community and this is where I think, Huston, we had a
problem ... But hey, the spaceship finally landed well ... so there is
hope :-)

my 0.5 cts,

On 8/16/05, Vincent Danen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 16-Aug-05, at 7:37 AM, florin wrote:
> 
> > I think the key point was that people here on the ML were frustrated
> > about the quick decision of not making the iso free downloadable
> > anymore. Mandrake or Mandriva did not really provide a quick answer
> > about this ... and then arrived Vincent answers ... wich was amplified
> > the whole frsustration feeling ... :-) Please note that Vincent
> > answers were correct and clear enough ... but without the
> > understanding of the general " new " feeling on this ML.
> 
> Yes, apparently I hadn't grasped how touchy people are on this list.
> Talk about jumping into a boiling cauldron.
> 
> At any rate, this is my "see you later" email.  I'm not the moderator
> anymore (hallelujah), so I have no obligations to this list anymore.
> It's apparent to me that people don't like the way I write anything
> and while my original response to "what do we do know" may have been
> a little... well.. flamebait-ish, it seems like everything I write
> now is taken in the same context and I can't write anything without
> someone feeling angry.  There is a lot of anger on this list.  It's
> disturbing.
> 
> So, my apologies to everyone for my original request to take
> discussion of "Florin's Firewall" off the list.  Yes, the mail was
> perhaps a little mean-spirited, and for that I apologize.  I believe
> my mails since then have been quite civil for the most part, but what
> I write is twisted, changed, and very obviously taken out of
> context.  I suppose it's easier to think I'm Mr. Evil and believe
> that everything I write was birthed in the lowest depths of Hades
> than to actually *read* what I've written.
> 
> FWIW, I'm just a lowly developer, and to clarify things I'm not a)
> QA, b) Technical Support, c) Management, d) part of any PR
> department.  And other than a few mails, nothing I've written should
> be taken as "out of the mouth" of Mandriva; it's all been personal
> opinion, written by me, and coming from my own personal email
> account.  Maybe I should have gotten a [email protected] email
> address and I wouldn't have been subjected to the "you work for
> Mandriva, you must be the devil" attitude I've received.  But that's
> ok.. live and learn.
> 
> I've done my part and forwarded mails to management and asked them to
> work with you people to whatever extent is deemed possible, but I
> haven't received any response.  If I had, I would have forwarded it,
> and probably been personally subjected to flames based on the
> response that wouldn't even be my own.
> 
> Oh, and Florin, it's not that I ever tried to belittle your work on
> MNF.  I think you did a fantastic job and it's commendable.  I
> personally don't like MNF *for my uses* because I'm not fond of the
> web interface and I really dislike the template system because I
> prefer to do my administration on the commandline.  So it's not that
> there's anything wrong with MNF, but until it learns to read back
> manual changes instead of wiping them, it's not very useful to me.  I
> *have* used MNF in the past for a firewall... =)  Now I use a home-
> brewed system.  So I don't have anything against MNF itself, just
> that it's not overly useful for *me*.
> 
> So, again, my apologies to everyone I've offended, made angry, made
> bang their heads against the wall, etc.  Thanks to whomever decided
> it would be nice to send me a dead rat in the mail.  It's been a
> pleasure, it truly has.
> 
> Now that I'm not the moderator anymore, rest assured you will not
> hear from me again and you can go back to your regularly scheduled..
> whatever.
> 
> Have a wonderful day.
> 
> --
> Annvix - Secure Linux Server: http://annvix.org/
> "lynx -source http://linsec.ca/vdanen.asc | gpg --import"
> {FEE30AD4 : 7F6C A60C 06C2 4811 FA1C  A2BC 2EBC 5E32 FEE3 0AD4}
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Florin

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