Re: anaconda-patches mailing list

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Bruno Wolff III <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 13:29:16 -0400,
>  David Cantrell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Changing the development workflow is not something we've ever taken
>> lightly.  There have been two major shifts in the last 10+ years.  First
>> was the move from cvs to git.  The second was to move off Fedora
>> infrastructure to github, and that decision wasn't just rushed through.
>>
>
> I wouldn't expect anything soon. Pagure has promise, but it is too soon to
> say where things are going to go, and without that assurance moving is
> risky.
>

Very true.  We were considering gitorious at one point, but I'm glad we
didn't.


> github has made it significantly easier for us to accept contributions from
>> other individuals and companies.  Like it or not, github has succeeded in
>> making contributing to projects easy.  If Pagure is just duplicating this
>> functionality, fine, but that's not a good enough reason for us to change
>> the development workflow.  A large part of us wanting to move off Fedora
>> infrastructure was the barrier to entry for gaining outside contributors.
>> It was simply too high.
>>
>
> I didn't expect anaconda to benefit that much from github's network
> effects. But given that it is, that would make Pagure hard to consider
> soon. The hosting service (as opposed to code) requires FAS accounts which
> would be a barrier to entry for the many people that have github accounts
> but not FAS accounts. (And I wouldn't expect Github to ever help out by
> becoming an identity provider that Pagure could rely on in addition to FAS.)
>

It's been a surprise to a lot of us, actually.  But everything from
contributions from Fedora users (both FAS account holders and non-FAS
users) to companies like Facebook contributing to anaconda, the visibility
and accessibility is better than we've had through other means.


> I'm not saying yes or no regarding moving things off github, but just that
>> there are significant benefits to github that are very beneficial to the
>> project right now.
>>
>
> It does seem that way. But if you do see technology issues that could be
> improved in Pagure it would be nice to hear about them. (That you may
> notice when using it for some Fedora upstreams that are there.)
>

Sure.  I need to look at Pagure again.  It's been a few months.  It would
be nice for Pagure to gain some success stories for hosting projects.  It
took github and others a while to build that up.


> Thanks for elaborating on the benefits the anaconda project gets from
> github.
>

No problem.

Thanks,

-- 
David Cantrell <[email protected]>
Manager, Installer Engineering Team
Red Hat, Inc. | Westford, MA | EST5EDT

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