Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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there was an interesting discussion a month or so back on the blinux list=
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about how long it took completing tasks in the gui as apposed to say=20
command line,  the comments were quite informative.
Still, fs has never marketed largely to the end user. Instead they market=
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to the American rehab community.
how much market research has  the rehab community done to support the need=
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for choices?
How many rehab counselors support  training in Linux?
one comment made by the subject of this thread about poor quality speech=20
is a fine one...out of the box Linux has few speech choices.  everyone=20
brings their needs to the table there.

if you want to get fs to care about Linux, you  need to prove there is=20
money for  them there, from their main source of income.



On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't know why FS wou=
ld
> not be able to do the same.
> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real game changer, a=
nd
> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start seeing
> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <[email protected]>
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Milan Zamazal" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>
>
> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any longer, being boug=
ht
> by another company.
> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created their tools for
> Linux.
> That is because as I understand it, Linux is  quite like clay. You can
> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and changes and options
> for creativity.
> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical characteristics,
> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid  foundation as it
> were.  that is part of why there have needed to be so few Apple  efforts =
at
> inclusion, they  created  with, and then created in-house adaptive tools
> for various  populations that were built into the system.
> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in theory at least, t=
he
> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for freedom or the forme=
r
> gw  micro or nvda to create something that can in theory  work.
> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
> Just my thoughts,
>
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For Linux.
>> JFL
>> I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it would bring many
>> more
>> users into Linux.
>> FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more robust than Orca.
>>
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Milan Zamazal" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Cc: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>
>>
>>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>    KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
>>    KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
>>    KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is dangerous,
>>    KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
>>    KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual.  he has
>>    KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>>
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and qualifications.  I
>> also know first hand that he is open to constructive feedback and I
>> believe he=E2=80=99d be happy to be corrected about possible technical
>> inaccuracies in the interview.  It may be also a good opportunity to
>> find out what=E2=80=99s possibly missing in making anybody better inform=
ed.
>>
>> As for =E2=80=9Cabsolute dismissal of what he has not experienced=E2=80=
=9D, what
>> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard desktop
>> with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a common blind user
>> who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and process text
>> documents, to be compatible with other computer users, etc.?
>>
>> And let=E2=80=99s be realistic.  We celebrate every single developer hir=
ed to
>> improve accessibility.  This tells something about the state of the
>> matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will fix all the kinds
>> of accessibility problems in all the environments.  Lukas works at his
>> job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as urgent ones and I
>> appreciate this opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need to work on
>> other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Milan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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