Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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And how often do clients get a choice about their tools?
Support this with objective documentation, as this is your professional=20
industry, if memory serves.
I recall on more than one occasion being provided with documentation where=
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jaws was the only screen reader choice a client was given.
Know of at least one professional who turned to Linux because they never=20
wanted to use Jaws or windows again.
since rehab holds the money strings for fs, it is up to the counselors to=
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prove, with numbers, that it is worth  the financial investment  for=20
freedom scientific.
My understanding is that nvda came into being because clients wanted more=
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choices  than Jaws, and counselors were resistant.



On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> True enough, but largely, rehab people typically use Windows at work, and
> probably at home, but they need to cater to the needs of the client.
> If a client used Linux, I doubt that any rehab counselor would advocate t=
hat
> the client switch to Windows, unless that was needed for a specific job.
> In Nebraska, we purchased Jaws much more for personal use than we did for
> work related situations.
> So if FS made a JFL, and people were using Linux, rehab would indeed
> purchase a JFL product.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <[email protected]>
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Milan Zamazal" <[email protected]>;
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>
>
> there was an interesting discussion a month or so back on the blinux list
> about how long it took completing tasks in the gui as apposed to say
> command line,  the comments were quite informative.
> Still, fs has never marketed largely to the end user. Instead they market
> to the American rehab community.
> how much market research has  the rehab community done to support the nee=
d
> for choices?
> How many rehab counselors support  training in Linux?
> one comment made by the subject of this thread about poor quality speech
> is a fine one...out of the box Linux has few speech choices.  everyone
> brings their needs to the table there.
>
> if you want to get fs to care about Linux, you  need to prove there is
> money for  them there, from their main source of income.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
>> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't know why FS
>> would
>> not be able to do the same.
>> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real game changer,
>> and
>> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start seeing
>> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <[email protected]>
>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Milan Zamazal" <[email protected]>;
>> <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>
>>
>> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any longer, being
>> bought
>> by another company.
>> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created their tools for
>> Linux.
>> That is because as I understand it, Linux is  quite like clay. You can
>> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
>> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and changes and option=
s
>> for creativity.
>> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical characteristics,
>> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
>> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid  foundation as it
>> were.  that is part of why there have needed to be so few Apple  efforts
>> at
>> inclusion, they  created  with, and then created in-house adaptive tools
>> for various  populations that were built into the system.
>> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in theory at least,
>> the
>> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for freedom or the form=
er
>> gw  micro or nvda to create something that can in theory  work.
>> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
>> Just my thoughts,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For Linux.
>>> JFL
>>> I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it would bring many
>>> more
>>> users into Linux.
>>> FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more robust than Orca.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Milan Zamazal" <[email protected]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>    KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
>>>    KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
>>>    KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is dangerous,
>>>    KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
>>>    KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual.  he has
>>>    KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>>>
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
>>> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and qualifications.  I
>>> also know first hand that he is open to constructive feedback and I
>>> believe he=E2=80=99d be happy to be corrected about possible technical
>>> inaccuracies in the interview.  It may be also a good opportunity to
>>> find out what=E2=80=99s possibly missing in making anybody better infor=
med.
>>>
>>> As for =E2=80=9Cabsolute dismissal of what he has not experienced=E2=80=
=9D, what
>>> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard deskto=
p
>>> with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a common blind use=
r
>>> who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and process text
>>> documents, to be compatible with other computer users, etc.?
>>>
>>> And let=E2=80=99s be realistic.  We celebrate every single developer hi=
red to
>>> improve accessibility.  This tells something about the state of the
>>> matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will fix all the kinds
>>> of accessibility problems in all the environments.  Lukas works at his
>>> job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as urgent ones and I
>>> appreciate this opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need to work on
>>> other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Milan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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