Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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And as I said from the outset, I am far more concerned with how this=20
article   makes accessibility, and Red Hat commitment to accessibility=20
appear  to the public.
A claim to having authority, when stating one knows nothing about how=20
access can be provided to various populations equally deserving is=20
concerning.
even in the article comments an individual outlined a need, that they did=
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not anticipate being met because Fedora was creating a "blindness"=20
program.
If your associate  leads with stated limits,  yet does not  indicate he=20
plans to address them, inclusion on this platform for all who seek it=20
seems  far from likely.
I do agree on the forum though. Had comment snot been closed by the time I=
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got  the article, and I been  in a position to do so, I might have  raised=
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them  on the spot.



On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:

>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> writes:
>
>    KL> may I ask from where he obtained his software engineering
>    KL> degree?  Studied computer science?  Perhaps disability studies?
>    KL> there are certainly scores of disabled individuals with these
>    KL> various levels of qualification..even who are Linux users.  The
>    KL> interview did not document a single one, outside of his
>    KL> experiencing blindness..which is not going to insure he creates
>    KL> an accessible platform for fedora since access refers to several
>    KL> populations.  and he states he knows nothing about those.
>
> I have already said regarding this what I felt was needed and I don=E2=80=
=99t
> find appropriate continuing that discussion here.  I=E2=80=99d suggest fo=
cusing
> on how to improve free software accessibility instead.
>
> If anybody cares about Fedora accessibility, there is always opportunity
> to help by providing fixes to reported bugs, giving technical advice or
> filing bugs on not yet reported issues.  All of these is needed, it=E2=80=
=99s
> sometimes difficult to move on with some issues and to get any help.
> OTOH trying to demotivate people who work on accessibility is certainly
> not helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Milan
>
>    KL> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>
>    >>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> writes:
>    >>
>    KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and
>    KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he
>    KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is dangerous,
>    KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility
>    KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual.  he has
>    KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>    >>
>    >> Hi Karen,
>    >>
>    >> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
>    >> qualifications.  I also know first hand that he is open to
>    >> constructive feedback and I believe he=E2=80=99d be happy to be cor=
rected
>    >> about possible technical inaccuracies in the interview.  It may
>    >> be also a good opportunity to find out what=E2=80=99s possibly miss=
ing in
>    >> making anybody better informed.
>    >>
>    >> As for =E2=80=9Cabsolute dismissal of what he has not experienced=
=E2=80=9D, what
>    >> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard
>    >> desktop with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a
>    >> common blind user who needs to use a fully working web browser,
>    >> to read and process text documents, to be compatible with other
>    >> computer users, etc.?
>    >>
>    >> And let=E2=80=99s be realistic.  We celebrate every single develope=
r
>    >> hired to improve accessibility.  This tells something about the
>    >> state of the matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will
>    >> fix all the kinds of accessibility problems in all the
>    >> environments.  Lukas works at his job focusing on certain areas
>    >> currently seen there as urgent ones and I appreciate this
>    >> opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need to work on other areas
>    >> is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>    >>
>    >> Regards, Milan
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>
>
>
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