Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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I am not bashing anyone.
And who Said fedora is providing anything whatsoever for me at all?
Of course, i get asked by the general Linux users group sharing this=20
article to defend the limited thinking of a so  called professional,=20
because=20
of course everyone sharing a label with him can access just because he=20
can.
the very willingness  to cut this person some slack as a token=20
representation of red hat's desire to projectively stereotype is part of wh=
y=20
actual inclusion is problematical.
I am expected to know him, because he is represented to personify my=20
accommodation needs...and. he. does. not.
The fact it is free is  completely unimportant.



On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Didier Spaier wrote:

> Karen, I concur to all Milan said.
>
> Can't you just stop bashing someone who you don't know (and can't answer =
you
> unless he is subscribed to one of the mailing list where you posted this =
rant,
> which seems unfair to me), and a distribution that at least devotes resou=
rces to
> accessibility, even if they do not focus specifically on what you would l=
ike
> them to? You should just be grateful for all Fedora as provided and conti=
nue to
> provide at no cost wrt accessibility. I am, even though I do not personal=
ly need
> it.
>
> That there be inaccuracies in the article is not that important and I don=
't care
> that  Luks doesn't know everything in the matter (who does?). I am sure t=
hat he
> will quickly complete his knowledge, anyway most probably already suffici=
ent for
> what he is asked to work on.
>
> Best regards,
> Didier
>
>
> Le 14/08/2022 =C3=A0 01:07, Karen Lewellen a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
>> And as I said from the outset, I am far more concerned with how this art=
icle=C2=A0=C2=A0
>> makes accessibility, and Red Hat commitment to accessibility appear=C2=
=A0 to the public.
>> A claim to having authority, when stating one knows nothing about how ac=
cess can
>> be provided to various populations equally deserving is concerning.
>> even in the article comments an individual outlined a need, that they di=
d not
>> anticipate being met because Fedora was creating a "blindness" program.
>> If your associate=C2=A0 leads with stated limits,=C2=A0 yet does not=C2=
=A0 indicate he plans to
>> address them, inclusion on this platform for all who seek it seems=C2=A0=
 far from
>> likely.
>> I do agree on the forum though. Had comment snot been closed by the time=
 I got=C2=A0
>> the article, and I been=C2=A0 in a position to do so, I might have=C2=A0=
 raised them=C2=A0 on
>> the spot.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> may I ask from where he obtained his software engineer=
ing
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> degree?=C2=A0 Studied computer science?=C2=A0 Perhaps =
disability studies?
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> there are certainly scores of disabled individuals wit=
h these
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> various levels of qualification..even who are Linux us=
ers.=C2=A0 The
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> interview did not document a single one, outside of hi=
s
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> experiencing blindness..which is not going to insure h=
e creates
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> an accessible platform for fedora since access refers =
to several
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> populations.=C2=A0 and he states he knows nothing abou=
t those.
>>>
>>> I have already said regarding this what I felt was needed and I don=E2=
=80=99t
>>> find appropriate continuing that discussion here.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d sug=
gest focusing
>>> on how to improve free software accessibility instead.
>>>
>>> If anybody cares about Fedora accessibility, there is always opportunit=
y
>>> to help by providing fixes to reported bugs, giving technical advice or
>>> filing bugs on not yet reported issues.=C2=A0 All of these is needed, i=
t=E2=80=99s
>>> sometimes difficult to move on with some issues and to get any help.
>>> OTOH trying to demotivate people who work on accessibility is certainly
>>> not helpful.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Milan
>>>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>>>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>>>>> "KL" =3D=3D Karen Lewellen <[email protected]=
et> writes:
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualificat=
ions, and
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as =
if he
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> defines Linux usage for everyone.=C2=A0 That attitude =
is dangerous,
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibi=
lity
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual=
=2E=C2=A0 he has
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 KL> to be expert, it is his job.
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> Hi Karen,
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> qualifications.=C2=A0 I also know first hand that he is=
 open to
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> constructive feedback and I believe he=E2=80=99d be hap=
py to be corrected
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> about possible technical inaccuracies in the interview.=
=C2=A0 It may
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> be also a good opportunity to find out what=E2=80=99s p=
ossibly missing in
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> making anybody better informed.
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> As for =E2=80=9Cabsolute dismissal of what he has not e=
xperienced=E2=80=9D, what
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more=
 standard
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> desktop with Orca and a software synthesizer can you se=
e for a
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> common blind user who needs to use a fully working web =
browser,
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> to read and process text documents, to be compatible wi=
th other
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> computer users, etc.?
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> And let=E2=80=99s be realistic.=C2=A0 We celebrate ever=
y single developer
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> hired to improve accessibility.=C2=A0 This tells someth=
ing about the
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> state of the matters.=C2=A0 We cannot expect that a sin=
gle person will
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> fix all the kinds of accessibility problems in all the
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> environments.=C2=A0 Lukas works at his job focusing on =
certain areas
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> currently seen there as urgent ones and I appreciate th=
is
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> opportunity.=C2=A0 Anybody else seeing a need to work o=
n other areas
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do.
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >> Regards, Milan
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 >>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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